"Féachadóir" <Féach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Scríobh "80 Knight" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>"Jim Heckman" <rot13(reply-to)@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On 15-Jan-2008, "80 Knight" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> "Jim Heckman" <rot13(reply-to)@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> > On 13-Jan-2008, Vindris@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Allfarva is also Unifarva.)
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>>>> >> I just got the DVD and watched the unedited ep. i was surprised at
>>>> >> some
>>>> >> of the choice language. I was quite pleased to see the 'old' model
>>>> >> centurions again they were far more convincing in their CGI form
and
>>>> >> using slug throwing SMG's. I thought it funny seeing steve bacic
>>>> >> playing
>>>> >> cain's exec! talk about eerie parallels. he got coming to him what
>>>> >> dylan should have done to rhade in the premiere if andromeda.
>>>> >
>>>> > ? Dylan *did* do that to (Gaheris) Rhade in the premiere of
>>>> > /Andromeda/.
>>>>
>>>> There was still a huge difference, IMHO. Cain choose to execute her
XO
>>>> because he wouldn't follow an order, which he objected too. Dylan
was
>>>> forced to kill Geheris, or be killed by him instead.
>>>
>>> Right. I wonder if the OP meant Dylan should have executed Rhade as
>>> soon as he realized they were being ambushed by a massive,
>>> organized fleet of Nietzscheans? But of course Dylan would never
>>> have done that, and was right not to -- as we found out later,
>>> there were many Nietzscheans who remained loyal to the
>>> Commonwealth. Plus, Rhade himself insisted he be relieved of duty
>>> and confined to the brig, given the circumstances.
>>
>>I think the biggest thing is BSG and Andromeda/Trek are very different
>>shows. I like each show for it's own views, but I have to say I would
>>much
>>rather serve under Picard or Hunt then Cain. Then again, Adama wouldn't
>>execute anyone either, but you get my point. BSG, to me, shows what
could
>>happen. How bad things can be. Andromeda started out that way, with
the
>>Commonwealth falling, but the show still showed that happiness is still
>>possible. Trek, well, Trek is the total opposite of BSG. A paradise.
>>Something for us as humans to aspire too. We just have to make sure we
>>don't design Cylon's or Skynet. ;-)
>
> Trek (possibly excepting TOS) is an appalling universe, peopled by a
> Federation who spout as nauseam about autonomy and individual rights,
> yet persistently impose their own narrow worldview on everyone they
> meet. Though it doesn't help that the writers view of alien
> civilisations rarely rises above the meanest of stereotypes. Klingon
> warrior culture? They wouldn't last five minutes. What kind of warrior
> allows an outsider like Ryker to define what is and is not honourable?
>
> Paradise my arse, it's a purgatory of the bland.
You're right. Food, shelter, medicines for everyone is a terrible thing.
Working to better ourselves, instead of destroying ourselves is also quite
the waste of time.
There was a quote in T2:
John Connor: "We aren't gonna make it, are we? I mean people."
Arnie: "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."
Trek, at least Gene Roddenberry Trek, tries to tell us that there is a
possibility of a good outcome. That the future may hold something good
for
us. I like to think that's true.
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