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> On Jan 15, 9:19 pm, mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > unlike apparently most people i dont feel warren was born bad
> > rather it was his inability to move on after katerina
> > he obsesses on her and tries to dominate her
> >
> > sort of like spike and buffy
> > except buffy (or spike) can survive getting knocked around
>
> Well, whether or not he was born bad or went wrong, and if/when he
> becomes irredeemable are tangents that can't really be explored based
> on what we know from the series. But he's never been depicted in a
> flattering way, and his problems come from way before Kat. The
the problems inflicted him date from childhood
warrens first horrible crime is that he makes a lifesize vibrator
if katrina herself could make the claim
that she never had nothing twixt her nethers that were run on batteries
she would have the moral highground to complain about it
otherwise shes being a hypocrite
i dont see warrens problem as making *** toys the japanese would envy
but that he cant move on from katrina
but he has obsessed and soured in his own frustration
> obsession is one of a few factors pu****ng him further than his fellow
> would-be rapists.
parallelling spike
the difference is the buffy can survive that kind of violence
> > > Season Six, Episode 14: "As You Were"
> > > think my problem is? As far as I'm concerned, this part of the
story
> > > was over after "Dead Things."
> >
> > it was like joan the vampire slayer
> > buffy has to realize she has better alternatives
> > not just that shes in a bad place
>
> In this particular case, what alternatives are there to being with
> Spike other than, well, not being with Spike? Her overall story still
in another story a person is pulled out of reality just before being
lynched
and the person doing that telling him that it was im****tant to forgive
and to love the people who were going to kill him
not love the pettiness and hate
but to see beneath that the potential for greatness
thats what riley does
he still loves buffy not for the mess she is or the mistakes she makes
but for the potential within her and her basic decency
(that goes back to the replacement when riley talks about wanting the
whole buffy
fully aware of her faults and ice skating obsession
unfortunately buffy was not mature enough yet to deal with the whole riley
more interested in winning the moral superiority than accepting riley was
human)
what this episode does is let buffy feel loved and feel worthy
and she then can feel for herself body and soul that she can be better
than this
> has awhile to go - I'm certainly not suggesting that Buffy herself is
> completely healed yet - I just think the show has brushed against the
at that point she knows she can be healed
and so she begins to heal
up till then she looks at the mess she is in and despairs
now she looks at the mess she is in and knows she is better than that
again part of therapy is to get patients to express emotions
even if contrived in artificial situations
so the patients know that they still have the capacity to feel
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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