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> On Jan 18, 12:20 pm, "One Bit Shy" <O...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > I was just musing out loud, really, about when things are worse for
>> > her. On the one hand, OMWF is a low point. That's when she wants to
>> > die; after that, progressively less so. But then "Dead Things" feels
>> > like a sort of rock bottom too. Does being more alive make Spike
more
>> > of a threat? Is the level that she cares about the perceived
identity
>> > threat ultimately a sign of recovery? That kind of thing.
>>
>> I think of As You Were as her low point with Spike - when it's gotten
>> really
>> empty, but, like a run down addict, she can't stop going to him. I
think
>> of
>> Dead Things a little differently. It might even be better to describe
>> that
>> as her high point with Spike - when for a moment she thinks that maybe
>> she
>> really can lose herself in Spike.
>
> Now we're just talking about degrees and semantics, but to me there's
> certainly nothing in AYW - either its depiction of degradation or of
> progress - that even comes close to the anguish Buffy shows us when
> pounding on Spike in DT.
Or her weeping in Tara's arms begging her not to forgive her. (Does that
remind you a little of 5X5 Faith? There's a sisterhood between them even
if
they don't really like each other.) I believe I understand you. I'm just
framing peaks and valleys differently. (I think there are multiple peaks
and valleys in the S6 story. Or at least valleys.) Believe me, I do
consider DT as pivotal for Buffy's recovery and her relation****p with
Spike
both. (DT has both a high and a low for the Spike relation****p.) It's
just
that post-DT, when the luster (for lack of a better word) is gone from
Spike
and her excuse (coming back wrong) is stripped away, she still keeps going
back to Spike for what I consider to be the truly pathetic stage of their
relation****p. That's a different valley than DT - and a passionless one -
but not upward movement until Riley knocks some sense into her.
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