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Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5

by Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 2, 2008 at 07:39 PM

Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "One Bit Shy" <OBS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsmtsm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>> 
>>> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>>> Season Six, Episode 15: "Hell's Bells"
>> 
>> 
>> While the Xander/Anya break-up is at the center of our
>> disagreement about this episode, I don't sense that you
>> appreciate the trappings of the episode as much as I do either.
>> We're probably closest on this, though your few pleasant
>> moments strike me as the dominating quality of the episode
>> until the tragedy takes over.  There's a lot of it.  Personal
>> moments with Buffy/Xander, Buffy/Spike, Willow/Xander and
>> Willow/Tara. 
> 
> BUFFY: but if you're wildly curious, yeah, it hurts.
> SPIKE: (softly) I'm sorry. (remembers himself) Or, Good!
> 
> I like the way that Spike automatically apologizes, before
> remembering that a vampire isn't SUPPOSED to care about hurting
> people... 
> 
>> 
>>> Season Six, Episode 17: "Entropy"
>> 
> 
>> I'll limit observations this time to how much Anya's vengeance
>> urge blinds her.  So hurt that she doesn't see the love poured
>> on her.  So angry and determined for payback that she can't see
>> how much pain Xander already is in.
> 
> And she also misses a wish that she could actually grant...
> 
> Xander:  I wish we could just go back to the way things were
> before. 
> 


6-18 "Seeing Red"

Just wanted to add to something OBS mentioned about this episode:

(begin quote)

I mean the episode could have filmed the rape scene less awfully or 
even chosen a different way altogether to bring Spike's crisis to a 
head, but I'm skeptical that either choice would impact as 
strongly.  We're justifying a soul-quest here, which in Buffyverse 
terms is about as monumental as it gets. 

(end quote)

Agreed.  What Spike does has to be enough to shock SPIKE.  And 
there aren't that many other things that will do that.

There's a line in "The Gift" where Spike tells Buffy that he's a 
monster but she treats him like a man.  What "Seeing Red" does is 
hammer home to Spike that he has to decide which he wants to be.

-- 
Michael Ikeda    mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Telling a statistician not to use sampling is like telling an
astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
Lynne Billard, past president American Statistical Association




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Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-02-02 00:19:12 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-02-02 04:59:13 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
mariposas rand mair fheal  2008-02-02 04:03:14 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-02-02 19:39:11 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-02-03 04:36:53 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
William George Ferguson &  2008-02-08 08:12:01 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
mariposas rand mair fheal  2008-02-08 20:40:09 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
William George Ferguson &  2008-02-09 21:46:53 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-02-10 19:46:31 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-02-10 19:37:13 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-02-11 01:56:27 
Re: A Second Look: BTVS S6D5
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-02-11 14:16:44 

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