On Mar 9, 6:11 pm, mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> angm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > Season Four, Episode 3: "The House Always Wins"
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> > The last episode ****traying the real-nonamnesiac-non-higher-being-
> > exempted-regressed-to-adolescence-Cordelia until "You're Welcome".
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> > > Additional comments on S4D1: I continue to maintain that the way
> > > Fred's recklessness in her attack on Connor is entirely in
character.
> > > Lulling him into a sense of security before attacking him with the
> > > same weapon he used on Angel is very much her style. Especially in
> > > light of "Supersymmetry." I made that argument last time.
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> > The unfortunate side-effect is what it does to Connor. Just like some
> > stupid british guy's badly-handled solution to Faith in BTVS S3,
> > Fred's ferocious attack made sure Angel Jr. never trusted anyone on
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> angel jr with malice aforethought conspired to kidnapped his father
> and torture him into madness
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> i think he should get some negative reinforcement to discourage repeats
Although Fred provided "punishment" rather than "negative
reinforcement," if you want to get technical. (Sorry, one of my
nitpicky things. The term "reinforcement" refers to a reward in
response to a stimulus; the reinforcement can involve either providing
something desirable [positive] or getting rid of something undesirable
[negative], but in either case, the goal is to encourage the behavior
that's being reinforced.)
> > purely vocal confrontation) might have maintained that friend****p.
> > This would render Jasmine's seduction more difficult (if not
> > unsuccessful).
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> the years of abuse had more to do with that than one incident
> as connor pointed out
> where he grew up there was no beauty
> so jasmines real appearance did not perturb him
In any case, I agree that we should remember that Connor, after having
tried to sentence his father to an eternity of hell and lying about it
to the people who trusted him, shouldn't be treated with kid gloves.
He's been seriously warped into an instrument of vengeance, and love
alone won't be enough to "save" him. However, Angel tries; he pretty
much does keep the confrontation verbal rather than physical, and
continues to let Connor know that he loves him. (After the last
summer, I can't fault him for not feeling safe letting Connor stay in
the hotel.) I really can't see much basis to conclude that Fred doing
anything differently would have had much long-term effect after Cordy/
Jasmine got to work.
-AOQ
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