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> On Mar 11, 4:04 pm, "One Bit Shy" <O...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I have a fundamental problem with considering the slow release of
>> information to Cordy about everything that they are as deceitful. It
>> would
>> have been no less misleading for Angel to announce that he's a vampire
>> right
>> off and put on his game face, for example. There's a lifetime of
>> foundation
>> to who Cordelia had become, and it doesn't come clear in an instant no
>> matter what order it's imparted in. I can understand somebody reacting
>> poorly to that - as Cordelia does - but I get really annoyed at the
>> implicit
>> suggest (seemingly bought into by the characters) that they screwed up
>> and
>> lied to her.
>>
>> This is more than unwieldy for me. It feels forced. The start of
>> slamming
>> situations into place by gum, and too clever by half.
>
> That's not how I read the sequence. The whole point of it is that
> Angel and his company are at a disadvantage by the way things happen.
> They can't tell Cordelia the whole truth right away - they're pretty
> much required to hide something - but someone like Cordy will then
> interpret this as lying to her. Especially since, as his been
> previously established, they really suck at hiding things and tend to
> come off as, well, untrustworthy to an observer. I don't tend to use
> "too clever" as a criticism because I generally like things that I
> think are clever. This is a reasonable and unforced way, in my
> opinion, for Connor and Cordelia to be spending time together while
> Angel suffers the indignity of losing someone to his own son (and
> that's a really strong emotional moment), without him really having
> done anything wrong. I don't want to think it's because of some evil
> master plan either, just the way the chips fall to get in the way of
> things turning out right.
Maybe. It doesn't feel that way to me. And in Supersymmetry it continues
to be described as lying to protect Cordy, with Angel seeming to accept
that
framing. The show hangs a lot off of this premise, which I think is
shaky.
Even Cordelia should be able to figure out eventually that the truth is
complicated and takes a lot of explaining - that it doesn't have to just
be
about protecting her delicate sensibilities. That's what I mean by it
being
too clever by half. They're staking too much on a clever situation while
side stepping the greater weight of the natural cir***stance. The missing
line that the episode would never be able to withstand is nothing more
than,
"Gee, Cordy, there's so much to explain, I don't know where to start."
But
they never even try to go there, which I can only explain by their evident
acceptance of the notion they were actively deceiving her.
>> So, how much into Wesley do you suppose Lilah is? These last couple of
>> episodes are where it really feels like she's falling for him. Even if
>> she
>> can't help still being Lilah.
>
> Hard to say. I was looking at it from the other side while watching.
> Wesley's behavior in DD suggests that he's his own man, but continuing
> to their bet here, he's clearly feeling something for her. The
> dynamic between them is supposed to defy easy description, but in the
> end, the tragedy of their relation****p for both of them was neither
> was able to "save" the other from being themself. There's a concious
> symmetry to the Wesley/Lilah interactions (to go along with Wes being
> a reflection of Angel, as usual), yet I don't think it ever feels like
> something that was shoehorned in to Lilah's character.
That's interesting. I hadn't actually gotten to the point of thinking of
them as trying to save each other. (Boy, you're getting really analytical
in your recent reviews. I think you've been seduced to the dark side.)
At
least not Lilah saving Wesley. But, of course, from Lilah's point of view
she kind of was. I can see how it would start for her as taking advantage
of op****tunity to maybe recruit him to W&H and certainly to use him. And
then sort of drift into actually trying to rescue him. It wouldn't look
all
that different, since her idea of saving him would be a form of using him.
Thinking of it that way I'm actually more inclined now to view it as a
kind
of falling in love - as much as Lilah can anyway. And certainly in the
only
way she can. She does stay in character.
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