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Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2

by Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 20, 2008 at 04:30 PM

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>> I prefer
>> to keep Cordelia as herself for as long as possible, because
>> otherwise, what's the point of all the time the show spends on
>> her? Her behavior in S3 rings perfectly true to me (with regard
>> to the demon powers, anyway.  Not barbarian warriors), so I'm
>> fine to take the show at its implication that the evil entered
>> her on the higher plane.  The spell in "Spin The Bottle" is
>> said to be what awakened Jasmine, so I'm fine with that as a
>> cutoff - before then it's Cordy, after that it's not.  Some
>> people point to bits of Cordelia-esque or Jasmine-esque
>> behavior at other times to suggest some kind of shared 
>> influence, but I don't see what that would add to the story. 
> 
> Since the mechanics are never really explained, we're left
> imagining the gaps.  I choose Birthday as start of possession,
> but not exactly control. Cordelia remains Cordelia mentally, but
> she has new weird powers that seem to pop up on their own.  For
> whatever reason, Jasmine can't take complete control without the
> steps between then and Spin the Bottle. 
> 

I tend to see Jasmine as not taking full control until "Long Day's 
Journey," with "Spin the Bottle" and "Apocalypse, Nowish" as likely 
key points in the process.  I do think it's reasonable to see "Spin 
the Bottle" as being a point when Jasmine starts to awaken a bit, 
but she can't do more than work on Cordy's subconscious until her 
"conception" at the end of "Apocalypse, Nowish."  Whereupon she 
starts to take conscious control, and by the time "Long Day's 
Journey" rolls around she's in basically full control.

-- 
Michael Ikeda    mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Telling a statistician not to use sampling is like telling an
astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
Lynne Billard, past president American Statistical Association
 




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A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-15 14:11:53 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-20 01:20:55 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Don Sample <dsample@[E  2008-03-20 05:23:43 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-03-20 16:30:16 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-20 18:25:31 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-03-21 06:15:19 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 21:06:40 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 21:09:23 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 22:02:47 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-25 02:17:17 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-25 18:25:31 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-25 22:04:22 

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