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Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2

by "One Bit Shy" <OBS@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 25, 2008 at 10:04 PM

"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsmtsm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mar 25, 1:17 am, "One Bit Shy" <O...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in 
>>
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>>
>>
>> > On Mar 20, 12:20 am, "One Bit Shy" <O...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> >>
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>>
>> >> > Meanwhile, Acker gets a good chance to
>> >> > show off her versatility - and Fred's - as she gets a chance to
pay
>> >> > back the bastard who ruined her life.  Wesley comes off very well
as
>> >> > Fred's matter-of-fact enabler, aware of the consequences but
leaving
>> >> > her to make the decisions.
>>
>> >> He comes off well?  Hmmm.  I'd say that he certainly played to
Fred's
>> >> mood
>> >> and desires.  To the extent that's respectful of her free will is to

>> >> the
>> >> same extent that he's enabling her poor decisions.  Wesley is
walking
>> >> some
>> >> tricky moral and ethical ground here.  That matter of fact balancing

>> >> of
>> >> consequences (which comes off more as token acknowledgment so that
it 
>> >> can
>> >> be
>> >> dismissed) looks an awful lot like helping to bring Fred down to his
>> >> level
>> >> of making dubious (and brutal) hard decisions.  Meanwhile, it sure
is
>> >> convenient for him that it's the way back into Fred's good graces. 
>> >> (At
>> >> least seemingly.)  Aside from still having a thing for, she had shut

>> >> the
>> >> door on him at least as hard as had Angel.  And, well, he's
performed 
>> >> his
>> >> penance to Angel.  Fred's the obstacle.
>>
>> > Yeah, it does sound self-serving when you put it that way, doesn't
>> > it?  Thing is, if given the choice between Gunn's ultimately
>> > patronizing attitude and Wesley's twisted Watcher routine, one can
see
>> > why Fred would prefer the help of someone who understands what she's
>> > going through and what she's capable of.  His attempt to warn her
>> > about what she's getting into is well taken, even if it's token.
>>
>> Oh, sure.  And her motives weren't all that clean either.  She wanted
>> somebody to help her murder a guy.  She doesn't think Gunn is up to
that.
>> But she thinks Wesley is.  In context, that's not exactly a compliment
to
>> Wesley.
>
> If all else fails, though, he can make himself indispensible to her.
> Even if it excludes him from being with her theoretically, she's still
> coming to him for stuff that he can do and Gunn can't.
>
> Meanwhile, finally caught a bit of (super)symmetry for our doomed
> couple that's been drifting under my radar.  "Charles doesn't have it
> in him.  It's part of what I love about him."  My lover isn't made to
> go to the murderous places that I need to sometimes.

Oh, yeah.  That's a huge line.  The illusions they held of each other by 
itself show they weren't the perfect couple imagined by everybody. 
(Except 
maybe Wesley.)

OBS
 




 12 Posts in Topic:
A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-15 14:11:53 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-20 01:20:55 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Don Sample <dsample@[E  2008-03-20 05:23:43 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-03-20 16:30:16 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-20 18:25:31 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-03-21 06:15:19 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 21:06:40 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 21:09:23 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-21 22:02:47 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-25 02:17:17 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-03-25 18:25:31 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D2
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-03-25 22:04:22 

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