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Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D4

by Arbitrar Of Quality <tsmtsm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 18, 2008 at 12:17 AM

On Apr 16, 6:32 pm, angm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> About Fred...she sure goes through the romantic ringer in these
> episodes, doesn't she? And much of it her own fault.
> She's badly treated Wesley; for all her bravado about mending the
> fences, she makes no attempt to personally see him (not even a 'thank
> you' for the alcohol). She's looking down on him as bad and unsafe,
> while praising Gunn as a white knight.
> Sorry, Fred: Gunn kills someone. Now, she's seeing Wesley in a
> different light while being wary of Gunn. After all, Wesley never
> intended to kill Connor and it was all Holtz and Sanjan's fault
> anyway! Better than murderer/patron Gunn, whom she avoids. She refuses
> to consider making out with Wesley as an issue but sees Gunn's violent
> reaction as one (in a black-and-white world, which seems to be Fred's
> present view of things, wouldn't her actions label her as a slut?).
> When Gunn ends their relationship, Fred barely makes a protest. She's
> free for Wesley!
> SORRY, FRED. Wesley had a sexual relationship with evil girl Lilah.
> Now he's back to the 'unsafe' category. Oh well, time to rekindle
> things with Gunn!
> SORRY, FRED. Gunn's insecurities (catered by Fred) end any chance of a
> reconciliation. Oh well. There's Willow. Maybe she can be friends with
> her!
> SORRY, FRED. Willow has another girl in mind (and she also flayed a
> man, which would have be a major turn off if Fred knew).
> Yes, I'm being hard on an emotionally and mentally unstable woman, but
> I can't help feeling all these failures were somewhat justified. Or am
> I wrong?

I don't really agree.  The reason no one happily falls in love is that
everyone's dysfunctional, not as a referndum on one particular
character.  First of all, and most importantly, one needs to remember
how mutual the failure is in "Supersymmetry."  The show draws very
heavy parallels between Gunn and Fred - check out a transcript.  Each
imagines the other one to be a much different person than they really
are.  Each takes it upon themself to provide unwanted "protection"
from the gray areas and dark places.  "Only I can go there."  They
both have this problem, and their relationship suffers for it.

After that, we mostly just read things differently.  When Gunn ends
the relationship, Fred is accepting because she already basically knew
it was over - someone just had to pull the trigger.  Her kiss with
Gunn in "Release" doesn't feel to me like she's crossing Wes off the
list and going back to him, so much as pining for a simpler time.  Of
course, it's not like that anymore, for either of them.  Finally, the
"I'm seeing someone" scene in "Orpheus" is just a silly joke, although
not a particularly funny one.  I can't see any indication that it's
supposed to constitute any kind of traumatizing rejection for
Winifred.

-AOQ




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A Second Look: ATS S4D4
Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-13 21:46:11 
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Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-14 17:05:51 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-14 16:46:07 
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Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-15 17:26:02 
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"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-15 20:05:31 
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Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_  2008-04-15 23:00:14 
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"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-16 01:14:42 
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Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_  2008-04-16 07:06:03 
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espie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-16 09:02:46 
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Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_  2008-04-16 07:10:26 
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"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-16 01:02:18 
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Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-16 18:09:39 
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"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-18 20:33:58 
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angmc43@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-16 16:32:06 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-17 23:07:10 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-18 00:08:13 
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"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-18 21:54:27 
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Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-19 04:55:02 
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mariposas rand mair fheal  2008-04-19 05:14:22 
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William George Ferguson &  2008-04-21 08:24:32 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-18 00:17:19 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-19 12:24:28 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D4
Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-19 17:47:22 
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Michael Ikeda <mmikeda  2008-04-19 17:49:18 
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Arbitrar Of Quality <t  2008-04-19 12:48:03 
Re: A Second Look: ATS S4D4
"One Bit Shy" &  2008-04-25 19:11:00 

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