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> "Brian Smith" <dcg_brian@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I would never compare Ryan to Maggie. Maggie was an elite player and
Ryan
>> completely lucked out. I'm not sure why you think Ryan controlled this
>> season when he appeared clued out for the first half of it. If Alli
>> hadn't clued him in to what was going on the day she left he would have
>> been gone shortly after her.
>
> Up to the point Allison left they were all playing with partners they
> didn't choose. That would hinder even the best player's game so I'm not
> going to gauge somebody's skills as an individual player on the time
they
> spent with a partner. If Allison did clue him in, so what? He still
played
> it out without her and his longevity was due to secret alliances he made
> along with his main alliance in which he was a core controller.
Ryan was a core controller of this main alliance? We clearly were watching
a
different game. Nat was calling the shots and Baller did what was
necessary
to keep his hands clean. Ryan just coasted along and lucked out. And how
can
you dismiss what Alli told him before she left? If she hadn't clued him in
he very likely would have screwed up right away and have been voted out.
His
understanding of clues and many of the relation****ps in the house was very
limited or nonexistent. He was very lucky also that people such as Matt,
Nat, James and Chelsia were hated by so many people. That bought him four
weeks right there.
Concerning playing with a partner, Maggie had a way worse partner in Eric
than Ryan did in Alli. Eric was such an asshole and his bad image got
applied to Maggie.
>>Ryan was also lucky that his alliance had a better comp players than the
>>so-called "evil doers" and that bought him a lot of weeks. Maggie not
only
>>controlled her team without them knowing she was essentially doing the
>>same to the Sovereign Six and she won the game without relying on a lot
of
>>comp wins or luck or help from BB.
>
> That's not correct. The nerd herd won more HOH competitions than
Janelle's
> side and those wins came at crucial times that gave Maggie's side the
> numbers. So her position throughout the last half of the game was very
> similar to Ryan's. Not only that, she had the advantage of a bunch of
> sheep in the house that Cappy had gathered into one loyal flock. None of
> them were ever going to stray, which made them easy to control. Maggie
> played a good game with her particular roommates but I think if she'd
used
> the same playing style in almost any other season of BB she would have
> been a follower with no power whatsoever. I believe if Ryan used his
same
> playing style in other seasons of BB he'd be more successful because he
> covered his bases with his secret alliances. I think it was his alliance
> with Sharon that gave him the confidence to vote out his close ally
> Natalie, which was a pivotal move for him. Who knows how Maggie would
> handle a tough situation because she never had to deal with any.
I was talking about Maggie individually concerning comp wins. Even if we
consider HOH wins by team it was essentially a wash. You seem to have
forgotten
that was the season of back and forth HOH wins and comps tailor made to
the
side that needed to win. HOH wins by week for the entire season were as
follows:
Rachel, Eric, Kaysar, Maggie, Howie, Jennifer, Janelle, Beau, April,
Howie,
Ivette, Janelle and Ivette
What really turned the game around was Maggie totally playing Howie to put
up his own alliance members and James turning on his alliance. Of course
Kaysar's gullibility didn't hurt either.
I disagree that Eric made it easy for Maggie to control Ivette, etc. When
he
was around they had no use for her. She controlled them because she knew
how
to and I'm not sure why you would say she couldn't have done the same in
another season. In this season she could have controlled the people in her
sleep. Ryan in any other season would have been gone before they started
to
form the jury. Something tells me when most reality sites, etc. write up
their synopsis for this season they will agree with me that Ryan was the
worst player ever to make F2.
To avoid another question, Maggie won only one POV.
Brian
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