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>>>> I prefer
>>>> to keep Cordelia as herself for as long as possible, because
>>>> otherwise, what's the point of all the time the show spends
>>>> on her? Her behavior in S3 rings perfectly true to me (with
>>>> regard to the demon powers, anyway. Not barbarian warriors),
>>>> so I'm fine to take the show at its implication that the evil
>>>> entered her on the higher plane. The spell in "Spin The
>>>> Bottle" is said to be what awakened Jasmine, so I'm fine with
>>>> that as a cutoff - before then it's Cordy, after that it's
>>>> not. Some people point to bits of Cordelia-esque or
>>>> Jasmine-esque behavior at other times to suggest some kind of
>>>> shared influence, but I don't see what that would add to the
>>>> story.
>>>
>>> Since the mechanics are never really explained, we're left
>>> imagining the gaps. I choose Birthday as start of possession,
>>> but not exactly control. Cordelia remains Cordelia mentally,
>>> but she has new weird powers that seem to pop up on their own.
>>> For whatever reason, Jasmine can't take complete control
>>> without the steps between then and Spin the Bottle.
>>>
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>> I tend to see Jasmine as not taking full control until "Long
>> Day's Journey," with "Spin the Bottle" and "Apocalypse, Nowish"
>> as likely key points in the process. I do think it's
>> reasonable to see "Spin the Bottle" as being a point when
>> Jasmine starts to awaken a bit, but she can't do more than work
>> on Cordy's subconscious until her "conception" at the end of
>> "Apocalypse, Nowish." Whereupon she starts to take conscious
>> control, and by the time "Long Day's Journey" rolls around
>> she's in basically full control.
>
> That's not a bad approach since it can be used to explain the
> erratic personality during that intermediate period. I still
> tend towards Spin the Bottle as a more thorough take-over with
> the erratic being erratic story telling from writers struggling
> to make up their mind. A couple reasons. Mainly because
> plausibility seems to me to demand pretty active control by
> Jasmine - especially in Apocalypse, Nowish. The conception
> seems too critical to rely on subconscious prodding. I also
> struggle accounting for real Cordelia if she isn't immediately
> suppressed. Wouldn't she be complaining about memory gaps or
> otherwise acting strangely? It's hard to imagine her not
> noticing that something's slowly taking her over.
>
Basically, I don't see that active control by Jasmine is necessary
for anything that Cordy does until LDJ.
I think Jasmine takes over fully in the time gap between HC and
LDJ. HC itself is an open question, but I'd tend to say Cordy is
still mostly Cordy there, since HC takes place right after AN and
Jasmine has just barely been conceived.
It doesn't have to be a "slow" takeover, either. Most of it could
be all at once, as soon as Jasmine has reached some needed stage of
development. At any rate, Connor is the only person around Cordy
during that time gap and he's hardly likely to be noticing whether
Cordy is acting strangely.
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Michael Ikeda mmikeda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Telling a statistician not to use sampling is like telling an
astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
Lynne Billard, past president American Statistical Association
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