"Fallen" <fallen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> One Bit Shy wrote:
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>> "Thanatos" <atropos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>In article <E9adnbE89IPPkajVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"One Bit Shy" <OBS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>"Thanatos" <atropos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>In article <KIKdnSJyP5sWL6nVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>"One Bit Shy" <OBS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>Her Watcher is named "Sam Zabuto", which doesn't sound very
>>>>>>Jamaican to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not. Just like Giles wasn't a Californian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Marti, the writer of the What's My Line where Kendra is
>>>>>>ntroduced, also says that to her ears the accent is
>>>>>>unidentifiable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, then she's an idiot because it's easily identifiable.
>>>>>I identified it before Kendra had finished three sentences.
>>>>
>>>>So anybody who doesn't identify what you do is an idiot? That's an
>>>>interesting standard.
>>>
>>>No, anyone who can't see the obvious is an idiot.
>>
>>
>> Lots of people don't find it obvious. That's why this has been an item
>> of debate since Kendra appeared. Hell, I don't find it obvious and
I've
>> been to Jamaica. I think you're inaccurately projecting your
perception
>> onto everybody else. It's not universally obvious.
>
>
> Please point me at this great debate? Any by debate I don't mean people
> not knowing where her accent is from, I mean people claiming it doesn't
> sound Jamaican because they know a Jamaican accent.
Your restrictions change what I argued - that lots of people don't find it
obvious. That's not limited to those claiming to know a Jamaican accent.
Indeed, that's part of my point. It works at obscuring her origin because
so many people don't recognize the accent well enough to pinpoint the
source.
But all sorts of opninions have been expressed about her accent -
including
that Jamaicans don't really sound like that. Just do a Google search on
this group for kendra accent. Here's one example that covers a variety of
thoughts - though there are many more.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer/browse_thread/thread/2d4c9aa0ea66372a/36dc17f1ac5502c9?hl=en&q=kendra+accent&lnk=ol&
(Most of the discussion is deep into the thread.)
I get a kick out of that one because of this remark:
-- I saw her again last night, and...I gotta admit, she's got enough
accent
on her for 4 or 5 voices at least! Where from? Ah, I think I know...as
a hard-core, by-the-book slayer, she's developed a voice pattern so
broad, so ambiguous that pursuing vampires are completely stumped as to
her country of origin - they seek her in Louisiana, French Guiana,
Ireland, Swaziland...that damned elusive Kendra. --
>>>>She said the accent wasn't identifiable to her.
>>>>I'll take her word for it.
>>>
>>>Not me. Doesn't pass the smell test.
>>
>>
>> Since I didn't know its source until hearing about the voice coach, I
>> don't find her response all that unbelievable. Perceptions differ.
>
>
> Yes, except most people's perception would be born of ignorance. Just
like
> if someone came on the television with a Swahili accent I wouldn't have
> the slightest clue. However that doesn't mean their accent isn't Swahili
> because it isn't recognised.
> Kendra's accent was quite clearly Jamaican.
Please note that I was responding to whether it was believable that Marti
Noxon didn't find the accent to be identifiable, not whether the accent
was
Jamaican based. Her perception is her perception whether it's based on
ignorance or not.
I'm already on record agreeing that Jamaican (from some local region of
Jamaica) was the foundation of the accent. The best information that I've
seen (and heard) appears to confirm that.
That doesn't change how what showed up on the screen confused so many
people. Nor does it establish that the purpose was to fix Kendra's origin
as Jamaica.
>>>>The point isn't her command of world dialects.
>>>
>>>We're not talking about dialects here.
>>
>>
>> We're not? Well color me confused. What are we talking about?
>
>
> Dialect and Accent mean different things.
Well, dialect includes accent, but whatever. I wouldn't know if
vocabulary
and grammar were affected. It's kind of nitpicky and avoiding that the
point wasn't her command of world accents either.
OBS
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