On Mar 21, 11:20 am, FurPaw <furrealpaw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Peahen wrote:
> > "ellen" <epdps...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>news:cb222b53-fbd6-4265-bec6-e02508591979@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> you all have probably caught this one already, but since it just came
> >> to my attention, i'll toss it out. it's a bit long, but classic. i
> >> think it is authentic, but we never know, do we?
>
>
>>http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/video-interviewer-...
>
> Impressive young man! I would have punched out that
> interviewer's lights for all the interruptions, but he kept his
> cool and was clearly better informed that most - including me, on
> some points.
>
> >> his emotional response, that you can access from that link, is also
> >> quite good & moving, as he talks about his background, democracy,
etc.
>
> >> i will always be cynical.
> >> i will always want to believe.
>
> Me too.
>
> > I listened to Obama's speech on unity, and was again much moved. I
would so
> > like to have a leader who can speak in paragraphs again (and Obama
does so
> > much more than that). I'm afraid, though, that typical voters won't
have
> > heard or seen the speech, and if they had, that so many won't have
heard
> > what I heard in that speech.
>
> I'm appalled by the news coverage of the speech - 95% focus on
> his relation****p to Wright, a scant 5% (if that) on what he
> discussed about the problems of race in America. And I thought
> he presented a very balanced view of the lingering problems.
>
>
>
> > I'm married to a lapsed Catholic, but still a
> > staunch Catholic who would never leave his church even though he
recognizes
> > so much of the wrong done within the Church, and even though he does
not
> > agree with all the tenants of the Church.
>
> > I myself am an agnostic, more so now than before, so I don't much
listen to
> > preachers, priests, rabbis, or any other organized religious leader,
since I
> > think I can form my own opinions, and, in my humble opinion, since my
views
> > are much more humanistic and inclusive than most believers in
organized
> > religion. But I can't color all believers with the same brush. I
> > disappointed my in-laws when I wouldn't convert. It wasn't that I was
> > agnostic then; it was simply because I couldn't convert knowing very
well
> > that I planned to take birth control and believe in pro-choice. My
> > sisters-in-law, baptized as babies, had no compunction about going
against
> > the tenants to practice birth control. I suppose it's a stretch to
equate
> > birth control with Wright's sound bites, but it's just another example
of
> > people not always agreeing with religious leaders but staying with
their
> > Church anyway.
>
> Most of Hubster's family are cafeteria Catholics, like your
> in-laws, who pick and choose what they believe and which 'rules'
> they follow. And yet they can't tolerate the picking and
> choosing that Obama clearly has done. I think they're pretty
> typical in their responses, especially when their being 'told' by
> many folks in the media that attacking Obama for not breaking
> all ties with Wright is quite the acceptable thing to do.
>
> I'd like to see equally strong attacks on McCain for not
> repudiating Hagee and the other "evangelical" hate-mongers that
> he has so recently aligned himself with. (Evangelical in quotes
> because that's their self-appointed label, not because they are
> representative of Evangelicals. Well, they are representative of
> some who call themselves Evangelicals.) And McCain doesn't even
> have a long-term multi-dimensional relation****p with them, like
> Obama does with Wright.
>
> > I have to note that my in-laws are all strong, conservative
Republicans with
> > whom I most generally disagree, but do not voice my dissent for the
sake of
> > peace (believe me, when my husband is silly enough to get into a
political
> > argument with them, it's ugly). They are also pretty overtly racist,
esp.
> > the parents. But I love them. so I understand sticking by people you
don't
> > agree with.
>
> > It's amazing to me (well, not really so much) that people come off so
much
> > holier than thou about not disavowing someone you've cared for for 20
years.
> > It's also amazing to me the number of people who say "He's only been a
> > Christian for 20 years, what was he before that?" Must have been a
Muslim.
>
> The hate-mongering wrong-ist media folks have been fostering that
> by repeatedly referring to him as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama." And
> what if he had been Muslim before that? Bush was a party boy for
> 40 years before he was 'born again' 20 or so years ago. Hmmm...
> OTOH, maybe more voters SHOULD have defined Bush in terms of what
> he was then, rather than what he (claimed that he) became.
>
> > I've been an agnostic (can't go as far as atheist) for 20 years,
wonder what
> > I must have been before that? My families are both horrified when I
say
> > that, but I know I'm a good person.
> > Anyway, I guess all this rumination is a result of my growing
> > "hope"lessness. I think the Democrats have managed to snatch defeat
from
> > the jaws of victory again. I think all this arguing back and forth,
all
> > this finger pointing at Obama's secret "hate-mongering," at Clinton's
11,000
> > pages of "not much there," is handing a close victory to McCain (for
all his
> > confusion about who's who in the middle east terror game).
>
> I'm afraid that will happen, too. Too many folks stirring the
> **** up, setting Democrat against Democrat. Some of them are
> even Democrats, but I think they have a lot of help. If the
> Democrats can't get it together to present a united front, I
> think their campaign will implode. Again.
>
> > I'm hoping very much to be wrong.
>
> So am I!
>
> FurPaw
> --
> "Every gun that is made, every war****p launched,
> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
> a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
> those who are cold and are not clothed."
> - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
> To reply, unleash the dogs.
i haven't really caught the way the media has covered all this, but
i'm not surprised about what you ****trayed. i may have asked this at
some earlier point, but that's the fun of crs - do you think younger
people are any more media savvy?
or, i suppose that is like asking if they are better equipped with
skills like analysis. & i am afraid i know the answer to that one.
too many relatives of mine/my dh's have rather black & white adherence
to things like religion & well, most of life. so the path is always
clear & unen***bered by too much thought.
re: democratic in-fighting. from the beginning of this i have
witnessed such absolutely dumb things that have sprung entirely from
the race/*** aspects. & now, well..... all i promise is that i won't
attend any election rallies the night before the election. i was at a
kerry rally last election, which happened to stop in detroit. & at
gore's while i was vacationing in miami. i thought it was a bad sign
then when people 1st clamored to get in & then as soon as he started
talking, clamored to get out (it was near midnight - the day of the
election, i think he could have skipped deep policy analysis at that
point. also, stevie wonder writes the most pathetic campaign songs
ever: 2+2+4, we don't want bush, we want... he also rhymed lieberman
with something equally memorable.)
i am somewhat amused at envisioning you punching out that
interviewer's lights.
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