On Jan 14, 8:40=A0am, "Ric" <N...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jan 12, 9:59 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Jan 13, 2:23 am, "Ric" <N...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >>>> Did anyone else think Catherines' line about using scissors was
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> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> character? She's not the first one I'd guess would make
***ually
> > > >>>> innapropriate comments in the workplace.
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> > > >>> Whoa! What? It didn't strike me as ***ual at all. I thought,
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> > > >>> he
> > > >>> said it needed done and looked at her as if she should stop what
> > > >>> she's
> > > >>> doing and do it for him, that she was sarcastically telling him
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> > > >>> do it
> > > >>> himself. Seems I miss a lot even when I'm awake! LOL!
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> > > >> I guess, trying to evoke a Lauren Bacall moment, she said..."You
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> > > >> how
> > > >> to use scissors don't you? You put your fingers in the holes and
> > > >> squeeeeze" That didn't sound ***ual to you? It only got my
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> > > >> because the ex showgirl is probably the one in the office who
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> > > >> act
> > > >> most professional to over compensate for peoples preconceptions.
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> > > > No, it didn't sound ***ual to me at all. Like I said, I thought
she
> > > > was
> > > > just talking down to him because he's a jerk, not that he would
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> > > > notice that since he thinks he's the best thing since sliced
bread.
> > > > But I
> > > > can see where HE would think it had an underlying ***ual meaning.
I
> > > > wonder
> > > > if he'll file ***ual harrassment charges against her... but I
guess
> > > > that
> > > > would most likely be after the writer's strike is over and they
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> > > > new
> > > > episodes because I believe I read somewhere that this was the last
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> > > > one
> > > > they had.
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> > > I guess you've never seen "To Have and Have Not". The line was
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> > > off
> > > one of the most flagrantly ***ual double entendres to ever get past
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> > > censors in the forties.
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> > Except I don't know common the term "blow job" would have been back
> > then. How ***ual would "You know how to whistle, don't you? Put your
> > lips together and blow" have been considered back then?
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> and why *is* it referred to as a "blow" job?
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> I think it was more about Bacall's delivery than the actual line. =A0She
> made something so simple and ordinary, sound *so* nasty.
Ah but then, technically then, it isn't a double entendre. A double
entendre might be Mae West saying "Come over and see me sometime"
because it could be either an innocent invitation or an invitation for
***. Lauren Bacall was just giving instructions as to how to
whistle. It may sound dirty because of the way she said it but there
was no obvious other way to interpret the meaning of what she said.
I've actually, by the way, seriously had students who've had
incredibly ***y voices and that was just their normal way of
speaking. It was very distracting, yes, but you can't cry ***ual
harassment simply based on the tone of someone's voice. Can you
imagine Hodges complaining to somebody "Catherine told me that to use
a pair of scissors I need to put my fingers in the holes and
squeeze!" Anyone taking the complaint would then say "And...?"
> And, back to my original point, Catherine was mimicking that delivery.
Whi=
ch
> is why the fact that the ***ual innuendo escaped some people amazes me.
Except "put you lips together and blow" is a perfectly good
description of how to whistle and doesn't suggest anything else. "Put
your fingers in the holes and squeeze" is also a perfectly good
description of how to use scissors. I don't know if _that_ line would
have gotten past censors in the forties, however. Did people refer to
orifaces as "holes" back then? :)
Frankly, it was Hodges reaction that told me that HE had interpretted
as ***ual. Catherine has 100% deniability here because, as his
supervisor, it's her duty to make sure that he knows how to properly
use a pair of scissors. :)
Martin
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