"Rob Jensen" <ShutUpRob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>I thought that the Dawson-Gretchen storyline in s4 made up for the
>>mistakes the writers made with Pacey and Joey that season.
Was Gretchen or an older sister ever mentioned at any time during the
previous seasons? It was, in a way, too cliché to bring in this new
sister just when another irritation between Pacey and Dawson was needed.
Having said that, though, I actually didn't mind the Dawson-Gretchen
storyline, certainly no more than any of the other storylines. (When
you say "mistakes the writers made with Pacey and Joey that season" do
you mean the P-J storyline was a mistake or it was just mishandled? I
didn't like the storyline but it was a necessary complication on the
road to what many of us thought was the ultimate Dawson-Joey
reconciliation. As a diversion I thought it was mishandled. The
writers made Pacey pretty unlikeable and I rarely thought he and Joey
seemed natural together.)
>>Joey darn near jumped the shark as a
>>character with the mugging episode,
Awful, unnecessary episode.
>>I thought Mitch's death in s5
>>played rather well in retrospect and helped to fuel the rest of Dawson's
>>arc quite nicely.
I too thought the death story was well-done. Not sure it was smart to
hook him up with Jen afterward though the dinner episode was priceless,
thanks in no small part to Audrey.
>>I've read that part of
>>the problem was that the s6 renewal was unexpected and certain unnamed
>>cast members didn't even want to do it. And it shows.
Unnamed? I've read that JVDB wanted his part pared down and maybe
that's why the show seemed to revolve so much around Joey and that guy
whose name escapes me.
>>I liked the finale, but wish
>>Williamson would have written either Audrey or Gretchen or both into it
>>rather than stick with just the characters he'd created -- especially
>>since Stupin had been telegraphing since at least as early as the s4
>>finale that they were going to jump 5 years ahead in the timeline at
>>some point.
Hmmm, I've never been sure about this "five years later" thing. It felt
rushed, the conclusion was unsatisfying -- I think no matter which way
you wanted it to go -- and I'm not really sure why it was necessary to
skip ahead five years. When you consider that there were still two more
years of college to go when the regular series ended, was it realistic
to think they would all have such settled lives only three years after
graduation? Yes, I know this is TV-land where things don't have to be
sensible but... It felt a little like an episode of "Thirtysomething."
And Sharpe Fan wrote:
> I hate the Dawson Leery character
What is it exactly that people hate about him? Too moody? Too
self-centered? I've never thought him particularly worse than any of
the others except that he seemed almost entirely humorless except for
the birthday episode when he and Andie sang. I found Pacey more
consistently unlikeable except when he was with Andie who seemed to
really make him ****ne. He was intelligent and noble whereas with Joey,
the woman who was supposed to make him a better man, he turned into an
academic flunky and and a surly, discontented boyfriend.
> As for the finale, I was a P/J ****pper, but TPTB laid no basis for Joey
> getting together with Pacey (or Dawson). I am happy with the result,
but
> felt I was cheated out of seeing how it happened.
I've talked about this before but the whole idea of there having to be a
"Dawson or Pacey?" question to be resolved was so unrealistic. After
all this time when their lives would have changed enormously, what on
earth would Joey be doing running back to either of her high school
boyfriends? They all would have moved on to other people and the most
realistic thing would have been a few days in Capeside when they would
have caught up, reminisced, maybe talked about what might have been, but
still they would have gone back to other things. BUT, that's not what
the series was about and so I found the P-J ending unsatisfying. KW
originally wrote a D-J finale but felt sorry for Pacey who was left
alone (Meredith Monroe was not available for the necessary time it would
have taken to re-establish Andie in Pacey's life) so he rewrote it. As
I said above, the finale seemed rushed to me.
Seaclock
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