Re: When DC went downhill

Sharpe Fan wrote:

> "Rob Jensen" <ShutUpRob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Sharpe Fan wrote:
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>>>"Seaclock" <seaclock@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>And Sharpe Fan wrote:
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>>>>>I hate the Dawson Leery character
>>>>
>>>>What is it exactly that people hate about him?  Too moody?  Too
>>>>self-centered?  I've never thought him particularly worse than any of
>>>>the others except that he seemed almost entirely humorless except for
>>>>the birthday episode when he and Andie sang.  I found Pacey more
>>>>consistently unlikeable except when he was with Andie who seemed to
>>>>really make him ****ne.  He was intelligent and noble whereas with
Joey,
>>>>the woman who was supposed to make him a better man, he turned into an
>>>>academic flunky and and a surly, discontented boyfriend.
>>>
>>>
>>>I hated Dawson mainly because he was such a horrible friend.  If you
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> were
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>>>down he was a "good friend" because he could feel superior.  If you did
>>>well, he resented it.  He had a sense of entitlement that was
unlimited.
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> He
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>>>assigned everyone in his life a role in the"screenplay" of his life
that
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> he
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>>>wrote and if you dared to deviate from the role assigned he would try
to
>>>force you back into the role - that role being to show by comparison
how
>>>great is Dawson.
>>>
>>>I really liked the Andie/Pacey story in season two and was unhappy when
>>>it ended.  However, I thought the Pacey/Joey story  line in season
three
>>>was also great.  And in season three Pacey was still doing well, as far
as
>>>we could tell.  It wasn't until season four that the writers "revealed'
>>>that Pacey was an academic disaster in season three.  I think this was
partly
>>>to help cause the P/J relation****p to crash (Oh, the drama!) and partly
to
>>>make help Dawson ****ne by comparison.
>>>
>>>Season four was the deification of Dawson.  He literally saves Pacey
and
>>>Jen in the beginning of the season and saves Joey college dream at the
end
>>>and in the middle restores a dieing filmmakers love of life and movies.
>>>Crap on a stick (to quote JoA).  The only reason Dawson stole the boat
to save
>>>Pacey was to connect him with the dieing director.  Dawson could have
easily
>>>ordered the storm to abate and walked out to the boat.
>>>
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>>Deification of Dawson?  I never got that from s4.  Maybe part of it
>>comes from not being part of the hooplah when it was airing for the
>>first time, but it seemed like Dawson was having a hard time figuring
>>out where the good decision to make Joey go with Pacey came from.  His
>>relation****p with Gretchen made him face up to his lack of life
>>experience, but even then, he was still making an ass of himself by
>>constantly trying to compete with Pacey for Joey and other asinine
>>reasons.  Even his arc with Brooks, which I thoroughly enjoyed, was
>>partly Dawson working through his bitterness about J-P and how he'd
>>selfishly pushed himself away from moviemaking over it.  By losing his
>>presumption of heroism and moral authority, he became more authentically
>>heroic.  Although his continuing to pine for Joey after Gretchen left
>>just grated.
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> Season Four seemed to have two opposite themes.  One Pacey is a screw up


(That sounds sooooooooooooo much like Sheriff Witter.)

>and his life sucks and two Dawson is the living god and all he touches is
gold.
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Except that Dawson was soooooo despondent over J-P that he *threw* 
moviemaking away and moped about it for the first half of that season. 
It was only the faith that, at various times, Mitch, Gail and Gretchen 
had in him and his blind optimism that gave him the confidence to annoy 
Brooks into doing the doc and then to fully embrace making movies again. 
    In contrast, we get Pacey and how his father is so overbearing and 
judgmental that Gretchen's faith in her brother rarely got the chance to 
get through to him and even Doug's relatively constructive criticism 
could set him off.  I'd say the opposing themes were how much influence 
these diametrically different fathers had on their children to, on the 
one hand, give Dawson that boost he needed to help him reach his dreams 
and on the other hand, pull Pacey down by making him think he wasn't 
worthy of his own dreams.

   -- Rob

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