Re: Old chief, new chief.

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> wrote in
>
> Right. She obviously couldn't tell him "I turned off my phone because
> I was drunk", so she made a hurtful, somewhat passive-aggressive
> excuse. "Well, you didn't answer MY im****tant call..."

No, but she could've told him she had forgotten her phone in the car or
the 
battery was dead or the cell reception at the medical library is bad. 
Instead, she went right for his throat.
>
> Her relation****pwith Maggie has always been complicated, with a lot of
> bitterness and resentment for her screwed up childhood, Maggie's
> passing on of BPD to her beloved brother,etc.  We've rarely, up until
> today, seen her be rude or nasty to Luka ... who she is supposed to
> love.  Leading me to blame the alcohol, and general disintegration,
> for her current behavior.
>
And now Abby is following the same pattern with Luka.  Luka didn't screw
up 
her childhood, but, yet, she treats him with the same disrespect she
treats 
her mother.  While she might not have sunk to the levels she did last
night, 
she has repeatedly ignored his wishes and refused to consider his POV
since 
they got back together again.  When's the last time she asked his opinion
or 
spoke to him as an equal?  Even their marriage vows were apparently only 
binding for him, HE was obligated to be available for childcare,
protecting 
her at work and paying the freight no matter what while SHE doesn't even 
have to pretend she gives a good goddam about his father or what he is
going 
through.  I  also recall her saying some pretty nasty stuff to him and 
trying to blame him for anything that went wrong when the baby was in the 
NICU.  Abby did the same to her brother when he was arrested for being
AWOL. 
She walked right into the brig and laid a major guilt trip on him for not 
calling her instead of Maggie as though she was his only concern at that 
point.  Not a word of concern about his illness, his legal woes, the end
of 
his military career; all. about. Abby and how he had failed her.  She was 
also pretty damned bitter and resentful when Eric refused her 'help' 
afterwards.  There's also the distinct possibility that the reason she 
hauled crazy Eric to Gamma's funeral was to 'punish' Carter for being more

concerned with his dead grandmother than with her family crisis du jour. 
It 
isn't just Maggie who Abby treats disgracefully.  And this isn't the first

time she's done it to Luka.


> Did you miss the part of the eppy where Abby,
>> completely sober, told Luka he should have come home as soon as he
found 
>> out
>> his father was terminal since there was nothing he could do?  That is
>> downright cruel, not passive aggressive.  If Luka ever spoke to Abby in

>> such
>> an abusive fa****on, the fallout from her fans would bury us all.
>>
>
> Just wondering ... given that I don't follow other ER sites.  Are
> there, in fact, Abby fans who are defending her behavior?  Crying that
> Luka was cruel and heartless to have deserted her in her time of need,
> and causing her to take refuge in drink?
>
Yep, there are plenty of them out there who think it is completely 
understandable that she fell back into the bottle and that he is the worst

husband ever.  They repeatedly bring up the wedding where he 'promised'
she 
would never be alone again and insist he has broken his vow to her and she

is completely justified in being royally pissed at him.  He had no right
to 
go to Croatia no matter what was happening there.  He promised Abby he
would 
always be available to help with child care, that is the only priority.

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>
> Oh, absolutely. THough not 'all characters' are sleeping around.
> Aside from her drunken indescretion, (which both she and Moretti
> obviously DID feel awful about the morning after)  we've never seen
> Abby having casual ***.
Actually, we have.  We've also been told about it repeatedly.

She  practically assaulted her med student on her front stoop that time
and 
the implication was that they went immediately hit the sack, they hadn't 
dated at all prior to that.  Considering the way she treated him later on,

I'd say that it was all about the *** for her anyway.  We also know Abby 
slept with the guy with the motorcycle she went out with after Carter, she

mentioned it to someone or another.  It was presumably a pretty short term

thing since we only saw him once.  Abby also told Ames she picked up guys 
and slept with them when she was drinking.  Then, there's her pattern with

Luka, where they had *** before there was actually a relation****p in place

both times around.  Abby is no stranger to casual ***.

  Luka too has recovered from his S9 problems.
> While we may disagree on whether Hope, with her religious convictions,
> would ever have slept with Morris without a wedding ring, that WAS a
> relation****p that began gradually, with Morris essentially courting
> Hope for almost a year before she decided to sleep with him.
>
I didn't see it so much as a court****p as an unrequited thing on his part 
that eventually became a romantic relation****p.  They were only in a
romance 
for a very brief time before sleeping together.

> My issue is less with the fact that the characters opt to sleep
> together, as with how it is persistantly ****trayed these days. ***
> between two virtual strangers/two people who have never seemed to like
> one another until now  seems to always start with the woman throwing
> herself physically at the man and kissing him, or at least blatantly
> propositioning him.  (Abby and Jake, Lizzie and Dorset, Lizzie and the
> teacher (forget his name), Katey and Ray.  Or else it's just  weird
> stuff played for laughs.(Jane and Crenshaw talking about their bedroom
> activities, Morris having phone *** with Hope. Dubenko and the
> satisfaction facilitator. Neela's intern whining about how he's going
> to die a virgin.) It isn't *****c. It isn't funny.  It's just, as you
> said, juvenile, and written like a bunch of  not very funny, dirty
> jokes.
>
I agree, TPTB write it the relation****ps as though they are catering to
the 
fantasies of the typical snickering 13 year old boy.  It's misogynistic, 
IMO.

* As a real life example, I saw a 13 year old who is pregnant last week
('" 
But I'm going to be 14 before the baby comes!!!").  She came with her 
boyfriend who is about the same age.  When I walked into my office to 
interview her, they were sitting on the sofa there looking at a picture
book 
from the coffee table aimed at showing kids how babies are made.  They
were 
pointing and giggling at the drawings of male genitalia.  I think the two
of 
them are the audience ER is targetting these days.  Pray for the poor
little 
baby whose stuck with these two for parents.  ("I would never give my baby

for adoption!  I love it and I am going to be a great mom!!")

Sharon

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