Re: Old chief, new chief.

sharon wrote:
[snip the good ol' pathologically Abbyhating sharon(s) bile that we've 
all come to know and... and... hmm, I can't complete that sentence for 
some reason]

> Using the writer's penchant for 
> juvenile *** 'jokes' as an excuse for Abby is no more valid than if we 
> used it to excuse Morris who has been far more frequently used in that 
> capacity by the writers.
> 

Wow.  With a capital "W".

sharon(s), do you truly believe, as you just stated above, that Abby 
Lockhart and Archibald Morris have any existence whatsoever separate 
from what the writers on "E.R." write them to be?  That's exactly what 
you just wrote there: "Don't blame the writers for Abby's or Morris's 
behavior!"  So sharon(s), if we are in the mood to blame somebody for 
Abby's or Morris' behavior, who exactly are we to blame?

When's the last time you cracked your DSM-IV?  Look up 
"Schizophreniform" and go from there.  Hmm, but you've been having these 
delusions for far more than 6 months - prognosis not looking good
sharon(s)!

> We also have at least two instances where Abby talked about engaging in 
> casual *** with others, just because it wasn't onscreen doesn't mean it 
> doesn't count.
> 

"Abby talked about"?  Or "the writers wrote some lines for Abby to say 
and Maura Tierney said them"?

> Abby also told Susan about the 'two date rule' and seemed to endorse it.

> I'd say someone who thinks a relation****p is not worth pursuing unless 
> they've slept with the guy by the second date is hardly Puritanical.
> 
> I know you like Abby and her behavior lately is pretty appalling, but no

> need to pretend that she was some sort of paragon of virtue in times 
> past. Like everyone else currently on the show, she doesn't seem to have

> a problem with bringing *** into a relation****p at a very early stage.

I wonder if this isn't what we as a society get for allowing these 
"reality" shows to live: loud, obnoxious people filled with hatred for 
imaginary people whom they cannot distinguish from their fellow, 
flesh-and-blood man.

>>
>>
>>  Considering the way she treated him later on,
>>> I'd say that it was all about the *** for her anyway.  We also know
Abby
>>> slept with the guy with the motorcycle she went out with after 
>>> Carter, she
>>> mentioned it to someone or another.  It was presumably a pretty short 
>>> term
>>> thing since we only saw him once.
>>
>> I don't recall that line, but we certainly don't know how long they
>> were dating or how long it was before they slept together.  (After his
>> divorce, Mark was sure quick to jump into bed on the first date too.)
> 
> No, but based on the fact we only saw him once, she never ever mentioned

> him even in passing and the fact that every time Abby farts, there's an 
> entire episode built around it, it's safe to say it wasn't a major 
> romance.  Her droopy mug is in nearly every scene, she has a major 
> storyline in nearly every eppy; if he'd been in the picture for any 
> length of time, TPTB would've had to have shown him.  We see more of 
> Abby's personal life than any other character ever on the show, 
> practically more than all the current characters put together.

sharon(s), could you put together a spreadsheet do***enting that for us? 
  Thanks.

> It is not 
> possible she was with this guy long term and we all know it.
>

Whether we all know it or not isn't the issue at hand.  Whether any of 
us care is.  You clearly do, so that's one.  Anybody else?  Show of 
hands?  No?  Nobody?


> es she picked up guys
>>> and slept with them when she was drinking.
>>
>>
>> Given that. up until a month ago, she had been dry for ... what ....
>> 12 ... 15 years? (She told Carter in S7 that she had been dry for, I
>> don't recall exactly ... 5 years? 7 years?) this obviously wasn't
>> something she had done for a VERY long time. (There was no indication
>> that she cheated on Richard when they were married, so we're looking
>> at stuff from a VERY long time ago.)
>>
> Except TPTB changed all that last season.  She told Carter she hadn't 
> had a drink in 5 years, but, then, last season, she told Ames she was 
> sleeping with strangers while drunk as recently as 8 years ago.  We also

> know that lying comes pretty naturally to Abby and, in the cir***stance 
> in which she and Carter were discussing it, it is entirely possible that

> she exaggerated the length of her sobriety.
> 

sharon(s), isn't it even more entirely possible that TEERPTB have 
absolutely no idea what "continuity" is?

> So, no, as much as her fans might wish it were true, it has not been 12 
> or 15 years since she slept around.  Hell, she did it just a few 
> episodes ago. You also seem to forget that this is not her first 
> relapse.  Granted, she was hooked up with Carter during most of her last

> binge, but, since she seems to be a blackout drunk, as well as one who 
> likes a boozy hookup, it's not entirely out of the question that she was

> doing it as recently as 4 years ago and just doesn't remember.
> 

More wow.  Bellevue is calling.

> Sharon
> 
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