npardue@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Dec 11, 10:33 pm, "sharon" <nob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>>> There was roughly a week of unseen time (between the trip to Iowa and
>>>> the funeral), during which we didn't see ANYTHING. We didn't know
for
>>>> sure that she 'helped' but neither do we know for sure that she
>>>> didn't. Nothing was ever said either way.
>> The rule on this newsgroup and most other discussion sites used to be:
if
>> we didn't see it, it didn't happen. There was no indication whatsoever
that
>> Carter felt Abby had been at all helpful in coping with the death. From
the
>> way the relation****p imploded shortly thereafter and from Abby's
general
>> lack of concern about Gamma's death in favor of her obsession with Eric
from
>> the start, I'd say it's highly unlikely that Carter felt very sup****ted
by
>> Abby during the 3 days or so between the death and the funeral.
>
> You can't have it both ways.
Sure we can, when it comes to Abby/Maura, anything goes! This one time,
at band camp, I heard Abby went into a restaurant and ate everything in
the restaurant and they had to close the restaurant. Don't bother
trying to verify my story, because the restaurant was in Canada, and
Abby/Maura forced the Canadian government to erase the memories of all
the witnesses, and destroy all records which would indicate that the
restaurant ever existed. True story.
> "If we didn't see it, it didn't happen"
> has to mean that we can't know EITHER way. So you can't 'know' that
> Abby wasn't available/sup****tive any more than I can 'know' that she
> was.
>
sharon(s) doesn't 'know'. The voices do. The hate does. I'm afraid
that sharon(s) is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.
But that's beside the point. Here's something we *do* know: It was
determined by the Warren Commission that Abby/Maura was on the Grassy
Knoll at the time of the Kennedy Assassination. She can clearly be seen
on frames 298-312 of the Zapruder film. The Commission was not able to
determine if she was the mysterious "second shooter", but I think we can
safely surmise that she was. Don't try to verify this information,
because it's in the unpublished sup****ting do***ents that are sealed
until 2017. Sealed in Canada.
> There was
>> no indication that Gamma's funeral was delayed for a week after her
death,
>> which would be an unusually long interval, not that it matters.
>
>
> I didn't remember the exact timeframe.
sharon(s) did. Oh wait, no she didn't.
FACT: Abby/Maura is so mean she once shot a man for snoring too loud.
> Once I rewatched, they said
> 3-4 days. (Jack told the lawyer he'd flown in '3 days ago.')
>
So, a mere HALF a week. I believe I speak for The Many Voices Of
Sharon(s) when I say: Game. Set. Match.
And...... sarcasm off.
FACT: Abby/Maura sabotaged the oxygen tanks of the Apollo 13 Service
Module, causing them to explode en route to the moon, forcing the
mission to be scrubbed, and nearly killing the three astronauts on
board. As a known Communist sympathizer, she did this in an attempt to
buy the USSR time to catch up in their space program.
>
> .
>>> So, I rewatched "Things Change" last night. And, not surprsingly, your
>>> memories of it/take on it bear precious little resemblence to what
>>> happened on screen.
>> Lordy, you are a glutton for punishment! I haven't seen it since it
aired,
>> don't have it on tape.
>
>
> I would say then that you have an amazing memory for an episode you
> saw once ... almost 5 years ago. Except of course that your memories
> are not that accurate.
>
Hehhehheheheee, DIG! What she doesn't remember, she backfills with hate.
Hate of a fictional character.
FACT: The Bobby Darin song "Mac The Knife" is based on the true story of
Abby/Maura.
>> OK, so my first point, that Abby and Carter were looking for one
another,
>> and didn't bump into each other randomly was correct. I was also
correct in
>> my recollection that there was some initial confusion as to what the
other
>> was referring to initially. I didn't see Abby's look as so much
shocked
>> and distressed on Carter's behalf as she was that Gamma had kicked it
at a
>> rather inconvenient time for her.
>
> So you can read her mind?
"I didn't say that! You said that! Did I say that? I didn't say that! I
think that's so funny that you think I said that! I didn't say that!"
That was sharon(s) "Nathan Thurm" voice (q.v. Martin Short's nervous
laywer character).
> "Distressed look" on her face was pretty
> obvious.
Indeed sharon(s). I "don't know how you missed it."
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHHHHAHHHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!
FACT: Abby/Maura is Hooked On both Phonics and Oldies.
> Exactly what she was distressed about would indeed have to
> left to the viewer, since there is no dialogue, beyond Abby's "I'm so
> sorry. Nobody told me." (Which, upon a second 're-view' was said IN
> the trauma room, immediately after hearing the news. Not out in the
> hall.)
>
Of course she said it in the trauma room, but she didn't mean it, even
if she didn't make a frowny face, which I maintain she did, because I
can remember such details better than you even though I supposedly last
saw the episode five years ago and you watched it like a day ago. I
hate Abby ever so much. If only Abby weren't on "E.R.", my life would
be worth living. Crazy? Me? Hello, my name is sharon(s).
>
>>> She then listens quietly and rubs his back while Carter talks a bit
>>> about Gamma, and she offers some comforting words. She then assures
>>> him that she will be back tonight -- the flight's just an hour.
>> Which he knew was utter bull****, as did she. For the record, Little
Miss
>> 'I'll be back tonight' checked into a motel in Iowa with Eric, even
bringing
>> some of Carter's clothes for him to wear despite telling Carter they'd
be
>> back before morning. If Abby was so darned sure she was coming back
>> immediately, why did she go home and pack a bag?
>
>
> Oh.... maybe she figured that, since Eric was stranded somewhere in
> Iowa, that he was probably homeless. And she'd had enough experience
> with homeless, mentally ill people (through her job) to suspect that
> he probably hadn't bathed/changed his clothes in a while. So, to spare
> the other people who would be stuck on a plane with him for a while,
> she took a moment to toss a clean change of clothes into her bag? (We
> saw no evidence that she had packed any clothes for herself.)
>
Pshht, NOW who's stretching! Come on Naomi. We all know full well that
the only reason she went home to pack a bag was to pack it full of mens'
clothes that were two sizes too small, so she could force Eric to wear
them and be uncomfortable on the long plane ride home. That's just the
way she is. Abby is mean, because Maura Tierney is, and they're the
same person.
> She was clearly lying so
>> Carter wouldn't question her decision, she never planned to come back
that
>> night,. Also, the 'back rub' (which I recalled as rubbing his arm/hand
for a
>> moment) lasted no more than a few seconds, while she spent the majority
of
>> the scene with her hand outstretched, impatiently awaiting the
prescriptions
>> that he shouldn't have been writing in the first place.
>
> Again. You remember incorrectly.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAHHAHHAAA!!!!
WOW SHARON(S) YOU'RE REALLY BATTIN' 1000!!! Good thing the season's
effectively over so you can skulk away and hope people forget your
psychiatric disorders.
FACT: Abby can't afford the ticket back from Suffragette City.
> Her hand was NEVER
> 'outstretched.' (Unless you are referring to the moments when she is
> removing her gloves and throwing them in the trash.) She rubs his
> upper arm/shoulder/back the whole time he is talking about Gamma. Then
> her hands are either at her sides, in her pockets, or out of shot.
> (Due to the wide screen format they are sometimes cut off, but unless
> she has rubber hoses for forearms, they could not possibly be
> 'outstretched'.) She doesn't reach for the prescription until AFTER
> Carter writes it, tears it off the pad, and hands it to her.
>
Um... well... but she literally CLAWED that scrip out of his hand! I
know, because I read and/or confabulated and/or hallucinated an
interview with Carter where he mentioned that Abby/MT sharpened her
nails specifically so she would scratch him in that scene. He had to
get forty five stitches on his wrist and two transfusions because he
lost so much blood. He only needed one, but Abby is a also vampire, and
she drank all the blood from the first transfusion.
>>
>>
>>> And Carter says "Do you have to go? My Dad's flying in ... You
>>> haven't seen your brother in months, why do you have to go now?" Abby
>>> explains that he's off his meds, she can't reach Maggie, and if she
>>> doesn't go now, he may disappear again.
>> Which, of course, since it was literally hours from the time she had
last
>> spoken to him until she could get there, in real life, he'd most likely
have
>> been long gone anyway. I speak from personal experience. Abby's 'plan'
made
>> no sense as usual, she was taking a late flight to Iowa (it was already
dark
>> when she left),
>
> Again, incorrect.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAAAA!!
OMG NAOMI STOP, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT: Abby/Maura's the kind of person you meet at certain dismal dull
affairs. Center of a crowd, talking much too loud running up and down
the stairs. Well, it seems to me that she has seen too much in too few
years. And though she's tried she just can't hide her eyes are edged
with tears.
> It was dark when she arrived at the diner. We never
> saw her leave, so we don't know exactly what time it was, but since
> Carter had been talking to Jack on the phone about 'are you sure you
> can make the 5:30 flight .... and Jack is in Boston, so it's well
> before 4:30 in Chicago at that point ... it's probable that Abby left
> in the late afternoon and planned to get the last flight back to
> Chicago. (And the issues with the plan have much less to do with Abby,
> or this particular scenario, than with the way things work in the
> ERverse. In that reality, not only are beds always available in
> treatment programs at a moment's notice, but post 9/11 rules for air
> travelers do not apply. (No mandatory 2 hour check-in.) And flights
> come and go from Chicago at hours much later than IRL. (A few
> episodes later, Carter catches a 'midnight' flight to Paris, (not even
> leaving County until after 9 p.m.) and still later, Gillian leaves
> Luka's at 10 p.m. to catch a plane to Montreal.)
>
And *who* may I ask is responsible for this unreality of said "ERverse"?
Exactly: Abby Tierney/Maura Lockhart.
> assuming that her mentally ill brother had stayed at a diner
>> for hours and hours (and that the management let him) waiting for her
to
>> show up
>
>
> And the dialogue did indeed sup****t this. Eric says, "I wasn't sure
> you would come." and Abby says "I wasn't sure you would still be
> here." (It's also very possible [though again, we didn't see it, so it
> didn't happen...] that Abby had called Eric back to finish their phone
> conversation that was interrupted when James grabbed her, to assure
> him that she would make every effort to get there. And even if she
> didn't call back, the dialogue does indicate that Eric had asked her
> to come for him.
>
sharon(s), some friendly advice: give up while you're UTTERLY AND
COMPLETELY SERVED.
FACT: In rock/paper/scissors, Abby/Maura always picks rock.
> and then figured they'd catch a nonexistent middle of the night
>> flight back from Iowa. That Eric was still there and was actually
willing
>> to return with her without much fuss was a miracle in modern times, I
guess
>> she really is St. Abby.
>
> No evidence that it was 'the middle of the night.' More like late
> evening. Neither Eric nor Abby looks particularly exhausted, and when
> Abby calls Carter to tell him they missed the flight, she says she'll
> call him again 'later.' (Not 'in the morning' or 'tomorrow', but
> 'later.' Surely she doesn't plan to call him back at 2 or 3 a.m.)
> (And while we don't see it on the screen, the script side mentions
> 'take out containers on the bedside table.' Chinese restauratns
> usually aren't open in the middle of the night.)
>
WAIT WAIT WAIT?!?! "SCRIPT"??!? ***SHARON(S)*** IS OUR RESIDENT SCRIPT
EXPERT!!!! WHY WOULD SHARON(S) NOT HAVE KNOWN THIS?!?!??!?!?! I mean
seriously, she knows that every single scene containing Abby gets
mysteriously rewritten before filming, so how could she have missed
this?!?!
>
>> There is also the FACT that Abby had flatly refused to look for Eric at
all
>> until that moment, completely shooting down Maggie's plan to hire a
>> detective. I can see how Carter would wonder what the he** the
emergency
>> was when she couldn't be bothered to even attempt to look for him until
that
>> very moment.
>
> NOW she knows where he is.
Don't confuse sharon(s) with the FACTs Naomi!
FACT: While Abby/Maura can do The Frug, The Robocop, and The Freddie,
she cannot do The Smurf.
> It's not a question of searching for a
> person who could be ANYWHERE in the world. She has a phone number and
> an address, and he had asked her to come. THAT"S the emergency.
>
Well, that scene was totally rewritten anyway.
;-)))
>
> > Because, as usual, when it comes to her family, Abby is irrational.
> And
>> maybe, considering how incredibly sup****tive he had been of her and her
>> family on many, many occasions; he was expecting a little more from her
than
>> he got in his time of need.
>
> Strangly enough, in the episode JUST before this one, Carter had
> proposed, and indicated that he's more than willing to take on her
> crazy family, if it will let him have her as well.
>
Hell even I remember that. Maybe it's not "the schitz" sharon(s), maybe
it's the Alzheimer's kicking in.
FACT: In a freak mishap, Ranger 3 and its pilot Captain Abby/Maura
Tierney are blown out of their trajectory into an orbit which freezes
her life sup****t system and returns Abby/Maura Tierney to Earth 500
years later.
>
>> Abby> follows, reiterating that she WILL be back tonight.
>>
>> And then she WASN'T.
>
> She was supposed to charter a plane?
No. The least she could have done is PURCHASE a plane, get a pilot's
license, fly her own skank-ass back to Chi-town, present the plane to
Carter as a "please forgive me" gift, and then jump off the John Hancock
building.
> (She could have rented a car,
> but given the distance, she wouldn't have gotten back more than a
> couple of hours sooner.)
>
And if she did rent a car, I'd ***** that she didn't take a plane.
>
>>> Then, the next episode, there is no indication that Abby hasn't been
>>> around.
>> Nor is there any indication that she has. We know Carter hired a limo
to
>> bring her to the service, so he, at least, was in contact with her. No
>> indication that she did anything for him.
>
>
> And no indication that she DIDN'T. (Remember what you said above -- if
> we didn't see it, it didn't happen.)
>
Ahhh, the Captain Kirk School of Computer Repair. Exquisite.
>> How about staying away from the funeral?
>
>
> And then you would have chewed her out for not showing up at the
> funeral!
>
Abby didn't even show up at the funeral? What a *****. Actually now
that you mention it, I recall reading an article (it was in Canada,
don't bother trying to find it) that Abby/Maura was a suspect in Gamma's
death, so I don't blame her for staying away, the skanky ho.
> Locking up the bar in the limo?
>> Giving the limo driver $20 and asking him to drive her brother around
for an
>> hour rather than sit there parked? As I recall, she took Eric to the
ER for
>> admission right after the funeral, she couldn't have done that on the
way?
>> You don't think one of the ER docs would've gotten a psych hold on Eric
for
>> her? No common sense, alas.
>
> She was already late. There is no indication that the hospital was
> en-route to the cemetery. She made what seemed to her to be the best
> choice at that moment. Both IRL and on dramatic TV, people sometimes
> make choices that seem 'best' at the time, but go horribly wrong.
>
Yep. Like that one time when sharon(s) decided to (yet again) claim a
bunch of crap about her arch-nemesis Abby Lockhart/Maura Tierney, and
then somebody from the newsgroup went back and rewatched the episode to
check on each of sharon(s) claims, and it ended up that sharon(s) was
talking complete crap. You guys remember that? Man, that was a hoot!
>> at she expected him to go to Iowa with her. NO> suggestion that since
Jack was coming, Carter didn't need to stick
>>> around (or she didn't need to come back.) NO, hint from Abby that
>>> "Gamma would still be dead tomorrow."
>> I never said Abby said it, I said Carter said it in response to what he
(and
>> I) viewed as her lack of concern about it.
>
>
> Sorry. I misread your original post.
>
That's probably to sharon(s)'s benefit. Sharon(s)'s posts contain a
much higher percentage of factual information if they're read incorrectly.
> I still think the convo between
>> them indicated that Abby expected he would go to Iowa with her, but
concede
>> she didn't actually say it.
>
> If she expected him to go ,why did she ask him to write the scrip in
> advance?
DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION SHARON(S), ANSWER THE QUESTION!
> (THe only possible expectation might have been that when
> Carter asks if she can leave right away, and she says "I'm ready now",
> maybe she assumed that his readiness to leave himself meant that he
> planned to go with her. Once she realized that they were dealing with
> two totally different crises, it was VERY clear that she planned to go
> alone, and come home as soon as possible.)
>
>
>> Carter was entitled to feel what he was feeling at that moment.
>
>
> And so was Abby.
>
No, she wasn't. It ends up that Abby/MT is a Vulcan (from the planet
Vulcan), and they're not allowed to have any emotions. It's totally
true, I read it on a Bazooka Joe bubble gum wrapper. Yeah, it was a
special "E.R." Bazooka Joe wrapper limited edition, only released in
Canada, so don't bother trying to find one to confirm my wild statement.
Even so Naomi, all the signs pointing at Abby/Maura's Vulcanness have
been there since the pilot, I "don't know how you missed it."
> (BTW, there was a scene in the teaser of the original script , set
> in the treatment center, the morning of the funeral. Where we see that
> the director is already ready to throw Eric out for not following the
> rules. So... given that it's been only 3 days, it's pretty obvious
> that they were able to find a treatment center and get Eric admitted
> VERY quickly, leaving Abby ample time to help/sup****t Carter.
Sharon(s), why did you neglect to mention this omission from the script?
You never neglect to mention the "script changes" that make Abby not
look like the monster you need her to be.
> Even
> without that scene, the 3 day time frame [and Eric's statement that
> he'd been cheeking his meds because he didn't feel well on the full
> dose] means that they would have found him something very, very
> quickly. Or else it's the typical ERverse issue of two separate
> timelines for two separate stories.)
>
FACT: sharon(s) is such an obsessed-with-Abby/MT liar it's pathetic.
>
> Naomi
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