Re: Expelled...not bad....anyone?

On Apr 20, 8:20=A0pm, Tyler Trafford <ttrafford+use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Ken McElhaney wrote:
> > Tyler Trafford wrote:
> >> Ken McElhaney wrote:
> >>> Tyler Trafford wrote:
> >>>> Ken McElhaney wrote:
>
> >>>>> Gee guys...if you admit you don't know...And yet the theories they
> >>>>> propose (such as the combination of the necessary elements forming
> >>>>> on the back of a crystal...I'm not making this up) make
> >>>>> "Intelligent Design" look pretty darn sane.
>
> >>>> <quote>
> >>>> At no time did Ruse say he believed the Cairns-Smith theory, only
> >>>> that it was the KIND of theory that scientists are actively
> >>>> examining, as a CANDIDATE for the origin of evolution.
> >>>> </quote>
>
> >>> That's reaching for a techincality as Ruse did promote the theory as
> >>> valid at first, though he did never state he "believed" it.
>
> >> Erm, by "valid" I'm assuming you mean testable, falsifiable. =A0I
fail
> >> to see a conflict.
>
> > In the film, Ruse quickly answers Stein's question of what theories
> > Darwinian scientists have about the origins of the first living cell
> > with this example as one he seemed to believe in, at least that's the
> > impression I got from the confidence in his voice and defense of the
> > theory. Only when Stein laughs a bit and questions him further does he
> > lose confidence, stumbles a bit, then retreats. =A0The paragraph you
> > cited does not convey what actually happened in the film, it suggests
> > that Ruse simply plucked a theory out of a bag.
>
> I understand the interviews were preceded by phone calls from Mark
> Mathis who "explained" the nature of the interviews. =A0The confusion
can
> be attributed to the difference between that interview and the one he
> agreed to.

Well, exactly what "impression" was he under? Assuming he believed the
film to be a layman's view of how evolution theory explains the
origins of life in a "positive" light, then I would expect him not to
run away from his statement so quickly.

> But of course:
>
> > I would suggest that you see the film and draw your own conclusions.
>
> Well, yeah.

There ya go!

Ken