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Re: One last bit about "Expelled"

by Ken McElhaney <mcelhaney@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM

On May 9, 11:43=A0pm, TNW <TNW7z7z7z12...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I've been waiting to see a review of "Expelled" from a scientist who
> believes in God. =A0The Boston Globe had one this week.
>
> For anyone who might be interested:
>
> "Trouble Ahead for Science" by Kenneth R. Miller
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4c3k9o

First, go see the movie and judge for yourself.

Second, the article you cite gets the ENTIRE point of the film WRONG.
It does not promote "I.D." as the "superior" theory, the film points
out the huge hole in Darwinian theory when it comes to the formation
of the first living cell. That scientists are so defensive on this
point that they will not allow ANY serious discussion of ANY other
theory.  And those that even mention it in "scientific papers" are
attacked. Is this true in all cases? Probably not, but it has happened
to more than one scientist. Enough to make a "propaganda" film about
it I suppose. Given how Michael Moore's past three propaganda pieces
are such trash, "Expelled" at least doesn't require complete ignorance
to make a believable point.

Truth is, the chances of the first living organism forming randomly
are so fantastic that the odds are essentially ZERO given what we
know. Perhaps another unknown element is needed or something that
existed then acted as a catalyst and is no longer present or
perhaps...who really knows?

Plus, it points out that Darwin's understanding of cells comes from
the "cutting edge" of mid-19th century. What if Darwin had our 21st
century understanding of the complexities of even the simplist living
cell? Would he have proposed the same theory? maybe...maybe not. But
if Darwin's understanding of such complexities was comparible to a
"mudhut", then our current understanding is that it's more complex
than a Saturn 5 rocket.

Third, the film does not dispute but embraces "evolution" as it
applies to all living things AFTER the formation of the first living
cell. So there is no disagreement for about 3.5 billion years, just on
the first day.

The "Hitler/Darwin" connection Miller makes is another flat out lie,
in the film Stein clearly states what could happen when scientific
theories as crackpot as "Eugenics" are exploited in a society lacking
in moral & ethical boundaries, such as existed in Nazi Germany.

Also...noted athiest Richard Dawkins is in "Expelled" and he flatly
states that "Intelligent Design" could have played a role, which left
both Ben Stein and myself rather stunned at such an admission.  Of
course, "God" could not be involved but another advanced race
could...amazing...

Finally, this is not a "great film" it's messy and goes off in too
many directions. Plus it relies on Stein's "charisma" at times which
is not a good thing (I did like the "backscratcher" with the
telescoping rod). It would've been better had it used the past as
Copernicus risked quite a bit in challenging the accepted theory of
the planets and sun rotating around the Earth. Just like those today
who follow the science and wind up questioning the accepted theory of
Darwin as it applies to the formation of life on Earth.

Ken
 




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One last bit about "Expelled"
TNW <TNW7z7z7z12345@[E  2008-05-10 00:43:24 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Ken McElhaney <mcelhan  2008-05-10 10:21:24 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
"broughps@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-10 11:21:51 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Ken McElhaney <mcelhan  2008-05-10 16:45:44 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Mark Nobles <cmn-nospa  2008-05-11 00:26:06 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
TNW <TNW7z7z7z12345@[E  2008-05-11 03:32:13 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Ken McElhaney <mcelhan  2008-05-11 11:18:50 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
TNW <TNW7z7z7z12345@[E  2008-05-13 16:51:48 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Jim Larson <larsonjmR.  2008-05-14 00:40:35 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
John Iwaniszek <not@[E  2008-05-14 12:00:08 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Jim Larson <larsonjmR.  2008-05-15 00:11:25 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
TNW <TNW7z7z7z12345@[E  2008-05-14 15:20:48 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
TNW <TNW7z7z7z12345@[E  2008-05-14 16:01:25 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Mark Nobles <cmn-nospa  2008-05-14 03:59:00 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Ken McElhaney <mcelhan  2008-05-11 12:21:11 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Tyler Trafford <ttraff  2008-05-10 18:23:43 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Tyler Trafford <ttraff  2008-05-11 03:09:51 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Jim Larson <larsonjmR.  2008-05-11 04:42:59 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Tyler Trafford <ttraff  2008-05-11 13:43:10 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Jim Larson <larsonjmR.  2008-05-11 19:46:01 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Tyler Trafford <ttraff  2008-05-11 19:57:42 
Re: One last bit about "Expelled"
Tyler Trafford <ttraff  2008-05-11 20:07:24 

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