On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:45:12 -0700 (PDT), PJ <pjmott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Apr 19, 7:41?am, Kittyn <wo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:15:33 -0700, Vox <Vectra3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >Kittyn wrote:
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>> >> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:29:08 -0400, Dana <danamb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Kittyn wrote:
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>> >>>>On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:54:23 -0700, Vox <Vectra3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>Ruby Vee wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>On 2008-04-13 19:52:14 -0400, "Laura M. Young"
<bridgeplaye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>>>>said:
>>
>> >>>>>>>I just rewatched Friday's episode, mostly to see the Diane and
Max scenes
>> >>>>>>>again, but I was also struck by how many people are berating
>> >>>>>>>themselves for
>> >>>>>>>being responsible for Michael's condition. ?It occurred to me
that
>> >>>>>>>most of
>> >>>>>>>the people in this town can rightfully be accused of doing, or
not doing,
>> >>>>>>>something that would have prevented this.
>>
>> >>>>>>>1. ?In my opinion, the blame goes first and foremost to Claudia
who
>> >>>>>>>put out
>> >>>>>>>the hit that sent a man with a rifle shooting in the direction
of
>> >>>>>>>Michael.
>> >>>>>>>2. ?Would be Dr. Evil who actually fired the shot that did NOT
hit his
>> >>>>>>>intended target and wound up hitting Michael instead.
>> >>>>>>>3. ?Sonny, of course, who after torturing Michael's biological
father
>> >>>>>>>into
>> >>>>>>>signing away his parental rights, has refused to get out of his
>> >>>>>>>"business"
>> >>>>>>>for years, despite he and people he loved nearly being killed
time and
>> >>>>>>>again
>> >>>>>>>by attempts on his life.
>> >>>>>>>4. ?Carly, who cheated on Michael's father (her husband), and
had
>> >>>>>>>unprotected *** with a man she didn't even like who was a known
>> >>>>>>>mobster, and
>> >>>>>>>then conspired with him to get Michael away from his dad and
allowed
>> >>>>>>>Sonny
>> >>>>>>>to adopt Michael despite knowing what Sonny was, and then going
back
>> >>>>>>>to him
>> >>>>>>>time and time again even though she saw repeatedly what danger
her
>> >>>>>>>kids were
>> >>>>>>>in because of him.
>> >>>>>>>5. ?Jason, who was Michael's first "father" and swears that he
adores the
>> >>>>>>>kid, but not enough to get out of the "business" and encourage
Sonny
>> >>>>>>>to do
>> >>>>>>>so too to keep the kid (s) safe.
>> >>>>>>>6 & 7. ?Alexis shares Diane's guilt in repeatedly keeping Sonny
out of
>> >>>>>>>jail
>> >>>>>>>where he wouldn't have been a threat to his children.
>> >>>>>>>8. ?Max, who was the professional bodyguard, who should have
insisted
>> >>>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>>Michael not go anywhere without protection.
>> >>>>>>>9. ?Kate, who encouraged Sonny to take Michael to see what his
>> >>>>>>>"non-mobster"
>> >>>>>>>dad did for a living. (I've forgotten whose idea it was
initially.)
>>
>> >>>>>>I'd put Kate number three on that list -- it was her idea for
Michael to
>> >>>>>>be there in the first place, and she talked Sonny into it when he
didn't
>> >>>>>>think it was a good idea. ?Turns out he was right. ?Interestingly
>> >>>>>>enough, she and Devlin are the only two people involved who
aren't
>> >>>>>>blaming themselves for the disaster!
>>
>> >>>>>>>15 -18. + ?AJ, Alan, ?Monica, Edward and the rest of the
>> >>>>>>>Quartermaines, for
>> >>>>>>>not using all their money and power to maintain joint custody of
Michael
>> >>>>>>>which would have gotten him out of the hands of Sonny and his
mobster
>> >>>>>>>friends at least part of the time (the night he was shot MIGHT
have
>> >>>>>>>been one
>> >>>>>>>of those times)
>>
>> >>>>>>>I'm sure I'm forgetting others who could get on this game too.
>>
>> >>>>>>Ruby
>>
>> >>>>>The BLAME goes first to Carly for tying her son up to a mobster!!
>>
>> >>>>>Vox
>>
>> >>>>Actually, if you want to go that route, then Robin is ultimately
>> >>>>responsible also. ?Because if she had never betrayed Jason's
>> >>>>confidence, Jason would have continued to be Michael's public
father,
>> >>>>Carly would never have married AJ and probably never would have
slept
>> >>>>with Sonny. ?If Jason was still Michael's "father", you can be damn
>> >>>>sure that he would never have taken Michael someplace dangerous
>> >>>>without protection and would have definitely protected his son
first
>> >>>>and foremost before he jumped on a woman he was dating.
>>
>> >>>I don't agree. ?If Robin had kept her mouth shut, Michael would have
>> >>>still been raised in the mob which is Vox's point.
>>
>> >> Maybe....or maybe not. ?Perhaps if Jason had a child that he was
>> >> raising as his own, he would have eventually realized that it was
best
>> >> for him to distance himself from that life. ?At that time, he was
>> >> close to Sonny, but was not as deeply entrenched as he is now. ?We
>> >> will never know, because Robin betrayed his trust. ?I am not saying
>> >> she is as guilty as some of the others, but she defintely belongs on
>> >> the list.
>>
>> >Cripes! ?He has a child NOW!! ?I was thinking the other day, if his
son
>> >meant so much to him, why doesn't he take his millions, go find an
>> >island and try to live his life with Liz and his son! ?He clearly
picks
>> >his ****y life over all of it!!
>>
>> >I sup****ted Robin telling the truth anyway. ?I don't even see how
Robin
>> >comes into the mix even though you tried to sup****t your theory. ?It
>> >fell totally flat for me. ?The thought that Jason would be a better
>> >protector of a child than Sonny? Please.
>>
>> >Vox
>>
>> You are obviously not going to see reason here, since you felt it was
>> right for Robin to betray the confidence of Jason. ?
>>
>> And yes, I think that Jason would have been a better protector of a
>> child than Sonny. ?He has always shown more reason. ?He would never
>> have taken a child somewhere dangerous without protection just to
>> prove a point. ?
>>
>> Also, insofar in the fact that he is a father now, he has been trying
>> to protect that child by staying away from him. He is, of course,
>> torn, since it is his child. ?Sure, he and Liz coulc disappear, but he
>> feels he has other responsibilities now, such as Michael and Morgan.
>> At the time when Michael was a baby, he had no other responsibilities.
>> He already showed that he was willing to walk away for a while.
>> Also, I firmly believe that right now, if the paternity was exposed
>> and he felt there was a direct threat to Jake, such as a threat,
>> either direct or implied, he would go to the ends of the earth to
>> protect that child, including taking Liz and the boys far away. ?At
>> this time, however, he probably thinks that the best way to keep Jake
>> safe is for him not to be the father. ?He is probably right, although
>> on soaps, you know that eventually someone who shouldn't will find out
>> about Jake's paternity.
>>
>> I stand by my statement. ?Robin belongs on that list. ?She betrayed
>> the confidence of a man that she supposedly loved and quite honesrly
>> not because she felt it was the right thing to do, because if that was
>> the case, she never would have agreed to keep the secret in the first
>> place. ?She was all for keeping the secret when Carly wasn't around.
>> She spilled because she was jealous and comforted herself with the
>> fact that it was the right thing to do because a father deserves to be
>> with his child.
>>
>> I almost choked when she was saying this to Sonny the other day. ?I am
>> surprised she could say that with a straight face. ?- Hide quoted text
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>Talk about seeing reason. You're definitely on the Saint Jason
>bandwagon! LOL. Robin was right. A father has as much right to be in
>his child's life as a mother does. Even Jason knows that now. He has
>said several times since Alan died that he and Carly and Sonny were
>wrong to keep Michael from AJ. Or did you miss those episodes?
>
>PJ
No one is saying that a father shouldn't have a right to know about
his child. I never said that Robin was wrong about that. I said that
Robin was wrong in betraying a confidence. Jason confided in her
because of the way he felt about her and his relation****p with her.
To me, that is the type of confidence that you keep to yourself. It
was none of her business. And anyone that thinks her motives for
telling were completely pure really are too far on the Robin bandwagon
to see reason. She obviously has it out completely for Carly. Even
now, knowing how dangerous Sonny is and knowing that he is not even
Michael's real father, she is trying to further undermine Carly by
telling Sonny that he has a right to be with Michael. She picks and
chooses when she wants to "do the right thing".
I am not on the Jason bandwagon I wish that there was a way for him
to extradite himself from the mob and be with Liz without having to
totally abandon everyone else in their lives. At this time, I don't
think that there is. You don't just walk away from the mob. That is
not realistic. Your enemies are still your enemies, no matter what
sort of gesture that you make. Do you know what happens to people
that walk away from the mob without witness protection? They die.
That is what happens.
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