On Apr 19, 11:31=EF=BF=BDpm, Ruby Vee <rubyv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 2008-04-19 13:03:55 -0400, "Laura M. Young" <bridgeplaye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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id:
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> > On 4/19/08 9:38 AM,"Ruby Vee" <rubyv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> I'm torn about this. =EF=BF=BDI've always loved Robin, and I've loved
C=
arly
> >> since TB began to ****tray her. =EF=BF=BDI can understand Robin
wanting =
to hurt
> >> Carly -- Carly had been torturing her for months. =EF=BF=BDI'm
surprise=
d she
> >> waited so long to do it, and I'm surprised that she used Michael when
> >> she did it. =EF=BF=BDEven Robin admitted, when she first came back,
tha=
t she
> >> was wrong to betray the secret of Michael's paternity when and how
she
> >> did,and for the reasons she did.
>
> >> I think Jason WOULD have been a better father than either AJ or
Sonny.
> >> But in a way, he screwed himself out of the job. =EF=BF=BDCarly was
in =
love
> >> with him and had he been able to return her feelings (or even pretend
> >> that he did), he probably would have had the job for good.
=EF=BF=BDRob=
in
> >> wouldn't have been in the picture, wouldn't have known his secret and
> >> wouldn't have been able to betray it.
>
> >> Unlike AJ, Jason LOVED Michael. =EF=BF=BDAnd unlike Sonny, Jason is
dri=
ven by
> >> reason and logic, not by emotion. =EF=BF=BDJason could have left the
mo=
b and
> >> that point, and focused on a family. =EF=BF=BDBut he didn't love
Carly,=
and in
> >> her frustration/pain over finally realizing that, she slept with
Sonny.=
> >> Even then Jason could have stepped up, but he didn't. =EF=BF=BDSo now
w=
e've
> >> had Sonny and Carly over and over and over ad nauseum.
=EF=BF=BDBlech!
>
> >> Ruby
>
> > I missed when Carly came to PC, slept with half the men in town,
startin=
g
> > with her stepfather, then abandoned her newborn to Jason after not
telli=
ng
> > his real father that the child existed.
>
> When Carly came to PC, she started an affair with Tony Jones.
=EF=BF=BDHe'=
s the
> only man she slept with until that affair started going south and she
> slept with Jason. =EF=BF=BDAJ was a one-nighter that occurred because
she =
was
> looking for Jason and couldn't find him. =EF=BF=BDCertainly she was
wrong =
for
> sleeping with more than one man at a time -- none of whom she was
> married to, by the way. =EF=BF=BDIt might be a mitigating cir***stance
in =
your
> eyes if you understood that she and Tony had just had a horrendous
> fight and he had told her their relation****p was OVER when she slept
> with AJ. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDOf course he took her back that same night,
an=
d she slept
> with him after she'd slept with AJ -- and no shower by the way.
=EF=BF=BDA=
s far
> as sleeping with "half the men in town" -- she's slept with Tony,
> Jason, AJ, Lorenzo and now Jax in a dozen years. =EF=BF=BDNot exactly a
bu=
sy
> schedule of bedhopping!
>
> Tony threatened to take her child away because he didn't think she was
> good enough to be a mother. =EF=BF=BDAJ, not knowing that the child was
hi=
s,
> told her that if the child WAS his, he'd take it away. =EF=BF=BDBoth men
w=
ere
> richer and more powerful than Carly, with a lot more money for fancy
> lawyers. =EF=BF=BDShe believed that the only way to keep her child was
to =
lie
> and say he was Jason's.
>
> > When I started watching, she was
> > married to AJ, had the hots for Jason, and shortly thereafter jumped
int=
o
> > bed with Sonny.
>
> She married AJ as a ploy -- some convuluted scheme to get him out of
> Michael's life for good. =EF=BF=BDHe knew she was marrying him as a part
o=
f
> some kind of scheme (but not what, exactly) and wished to marry her
> anyway. =EF=BF=BDI think he thought he was so wonderful he'd convert
her. =
=EF=BF=BDI
> don't feel sorry for him that she cheated on him, and I don't blame her
> for doing it. =EF=BF=BDIt was never supposed to be a "real" marriage.
=EF=
=BF=BDShe was
> in love with Jason all along, and he kept telling her that they were
> just friends, that he'd never return her feelings. =EF=BF=BDIt was just
he=
r bad
> luck that after he told her that a thousand times, she finally believed
> him -- just at the same moment that he changed his mind. =EF=BF=BDA lot
of=
> people blamed her for cheating on JASON when she slept with Sonny.
=EF=BF=
=BDI
> think she slept with Sonny out of despair because she finally believed
> that Jason would never love her. =EF=BF=BDIronically, sleeping with
Sonny =
is
> the thing that put her out of Jason's reach forever.
>
>
>
> > Excuse me for questioning whether a woman who acts in such a fa****on
has=
any
> > business judging who is a fit or unfit parent for her child!
>
> She was aligning herself with a man she believed was powerful enough to
> back her and win against the Quartermaines, who meant to wrest her
> child away from her and keep her out of his life. =EF=BF=BDIt may not
have=
been
> a good choice, but in her eyes it was better than letting the
> Quartermaines raise her son and teach him to disdain her.
>
> > I've always
> > had a problem with women who think a man is wonderful while they are
hav=
ing
> > *** with him, but then change their mind and suddenly decide he is a
lou=
sy
> > father and has no rights to his child when she is no longer enamored
of =
him.
> > If the man isn't good enough to be a father then why would you have
*** =
with
> > such a lowlife in the first place? =EF=BF=BD Doesn't that make you a
slu=
t of the
> > first order whose judgment about people isn't worth diddley squat?
>
> Sleeping with a lowlife doesn't necessarily make one a ****. =EF=BF=BDIt
m=
akes
> one guilty of poor judgement, to be sure, but not necessarily a ****.
=EF=
=BF=BD
> All kinds of women in real life make poor choices about the men they
> sleep with and aren't ****s.
>
>
>
> > I've also never been clear on Robin's actions in revealing Michael's
> > paternity because the account changes a bit depending on whether the
per=
son
> > telling it likes Robin and hates Carly or vice versa. =EF=BF=BDIt
would =
seem a given
> > that a father has the right and responsibility to know about the
existen=
ce
> > of his child unless the child is the result of rape or *****.
=EF=BF=BD=
So it seems
> > that the major debate is whether Robin did the wrong thing for the
right=
> > reason or the right thing for the wrong reason.
>
> I've always loved Robin. =EF=BF=BDBut she betrayed the secret of
Michael's=
> paternity to get back at Carly. =EF=BF=BDCarly deserved it, she'd had it
c=
oming
> for a long time. =EF=BF=BDBut Michael didn't deserve it. =EF=BF=BDJason
wa=
s his father;
> the only father he'd ever known and it seems cruel to take that away
> from Jason OR Michael.
>
> If Robin was doing it because it was "the right thing," then doing it
> on her way out of town to go live in Paris was a cowardly thing to do.
=EF=
=BF=BD
> If you're going to do "the right thing" then it seems you ought to stay
> around and deal with the aftermath.
>
> Much as I love Robin (and at that time hated Carly) I've always
> believed that she did the wrong thing at the wrong time for the wrong
> reasons, and that she was a total coward about it.
>
> AJ planned to take the child from his mother as soon as he was born,
> and hung around the hospital after the delivery in hopes of doing so.
=EF=
=BF=BD
> His hopes were dashed when he overheard someone saying something about
> Michael's blood type, and he believed it wasn't possible for him to be
> the father. =EF=BF=BDTony was hanging around for pretty much the same
reas=
on --
> until it was proven that HE wasn't the father, either. =EF=BF=BDI think
th=
at
> under those cir***stances, neither of them deserved to know he was the
> father.
>
>
>
> > And, genetics aside, I'm not sure how great a parent Jason would have
be=
en
> > in those days. =EF=BF=BDNowadays, he is a lot less Borg-ish and seems
ca=
pable of
> > showing love, but in those days he was pretty emotion-less, and there
ha=
ve
> > been a lot of studies about how poorly kids do when they have their
phys=
ical
> > needs met but don't receive any love and physical affection.
>
> Jason was a great parent in those days. =EF=BF=BDIt took him a while to
fi=
gure
> out how to be a parent, but when he did, he was wonderful at it.
=EF=BF=BD=
He
> did his best to give Michael everything he needed, including a name and
> a family. =EF=BF=BDHis choice of a family wasn't any better than
Carly's, =
but
> he tried. =EF=BF=BDHe held Michael and comforted him when he cried,
played=
with
> him, read to him. =EF=BF=BDIn fact, he's probably the best soap opera
pare=
nt
> we've ever seen! =EF=BF=BDHe certainly spent more time with "his" child
th=
an
> most soap opera parents!
>
>
>
> > The other thing we need to remember is that even though Robin has been
> > vilified for years for telling AJ the truth is that unless Carly was
> > inclined to take her baby and move far away, the truth would have come
o=
ut
> > sooner or later in one way or another anyway. =EF=BF=BDNotice how long
A=
lexis'
> > secret about Kristina lasted.
>
> Alexis made the choice to start telling people about Kristina's
> paternity. =EF=BF=BDAnd you notice that when she told Carly and swore
her =
to
> secrecy, Carly KEPT that secret until it came out in another way, no
> matter the personal cost to her. =EF=BF=BDCarly firmly believed it was
the=
> mother's choice to name the father or not, and right or wrong, she
> stuck to her beliefs even when it cost her.
>
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I agree with most everything you said. I hate Carly in the same
unrelenting way that you hate Liz. She has such a huge nasty and
selfish streak that I can't see her ever being redeemed in my eyes.
That said, I'd like to qualify your statement about Alexis choosing to
tell people about Kristina's paternity. Technically you're right.
Alexis did make that choice. But she was stuck in an elevator in a
hotel that was on fire. People were being lifted off the roof by
helicopters. Parts of the hotel had already collapsed. The elevator
was hanging by a thread. Alexis was convinced that she was going to
die. She knew Carly was stronger than she and told Carly the truth
about Kristina so that, if by some miracle Carly survived, she could
tell Sonny so that Kristina would have a blood relative to raise her.
Otherwise Alexis would never have shared her secret with anyone,
especially not Carly. No one in their right mind would ever share a
secret with Carly! In my opinion, Carly, at least partially, kept the
secret because telling would have meant her sons would have to share
their father with Kristina. And that Alexis would have an unacceptable
attachment (for life!) with Sonny.
PJ
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