"Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "William George Ferguson" <wmgfrgsn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> "Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> >>>> I think it was a great episode except that God took away Joan's
free
> >>>> will.
> >
> > No he didn't, at least not more so than it is always taken away, for
> > everyone.
> >
> >>>> He framed her. He asked to pick up some trash knowing it would get
her
> >>>> accused of something she didn't do and get punished for it. It is
also
> >>>> on
> >>>> her record when she applies to college and reinforces Price's
already
> >>>> bad
> >>>> opinion of her.
> >>>>
> >>>> God should have given Joan a choice in the matter.
> >
> >>"ottomatic" <spamout@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> >>> hello, JoA... have you heard the one about JOB?
> >>> it's God, he works that way
> >>
> > "Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>The God in JoA constantly says free will is im****tant and that Joan
can
> >>always say no. But she can only given an informed yes or no if she
knows
> >>what is really being asked.
> >
> > A very large point from day one is that Joan can't know all the
> > ramifications of what is being asked of her. For the time that the
point
> > was most explicitly driven home, see my sig.
> >
> > God has spent 41 episodes now, working to get Joan to just accept what
he
> > asks of her on faith. In many ways this episode was a culmination of
all
> > that. God gives Joan an assignment, assures her that good will
result,
> > gives her interim assurances that she's doing it right and that good
is
> > resulting, and at the end tells her she did good and good resulted,
but
> > Joan never got to see the good consequences and, per God, won't see
the
> > good consequences of this particular assignment. Helen and Luke got a
> > cookie after their lesson, but God has obviously reached the point
with
> > Joan that he doesn't feel it necessary to give her a cookie every time
she
> > does what he expects that she should be doing.
> >
> > As for the 'free will' question, when was it taken away? God did not
> > march Joan down to that house like an automaton. God did not even
give
> > Joan community service. Price did that, and he has free will just
like
> > Joan does.
> >
> > When you come up to a red light, you have the free will to stop or
> > continue. If you continue, the police have the free will to write you
a
> > ticket. You then have the free will to not pay that ticket, and the
judge
> > has the free will to put you in jail. Legal and society rules, and
> > awareness of others reactions to your actions, don't take away your
free
> > will, they just inform your choices.
> >
> > Also, for some strange reason, people confuse the ability to observe
and
> > predict behavior with controlling that behavior. God may know what
you
> > will choose, but that doesn't mean that you don't choose. A more
mundane
> > example, if I run a red light in front of a police car, I am not
taking
> > away the police officer's free will, just because I can accurately
predict
> > what his action will be. Flipping on the lights and coming after me
is
> > still his choice.
> >
>
> God asked Joan to pick up trash saying it was a safety hazard. When he
did
> this he knew (being omniscient) that she would be accused of egging the
car
> and punished for it. If God wanted Joan to do community service to get
the
> ripples, he should have explained that so she could decide if she would
or
> not. Joan has never turned down his requests, although she has not
always
> been happy with it.
>
> He could have even asked Joan to egg the car, so she would have had some
> fun.
>
> Asking her to do a simple thing, knowing it will cause her a lot of
problems
> is not honest.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!did you just
not
even
read the above reply by WGF at all
Otto<who is starting to wonder just how 'sharp' a fan you are>
>
> Sharpe Fan
>
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