"ottomatic" <spamout@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "William George Ferguson" <wmgfrgsn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >>> "Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> >>>> I think it was a great episode except that God took away Joan's
free
>> >>>> will.
>> >
>> > No he didn't, at least not more so than it is always taken away, for
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> >>>> He framed her. He asked to pick up some trash knowing it would
get
> her
>> >>>> accused of something she didn't do and get punished for it. It is
> also
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> her record when she applies to college and reinforces Price's
>> >>>> already
>> >>>> bad
>> >>>> opinion of her.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> God should have given Joan a choice in the matter.
>> >
>> >>"ottomatic" <spamout@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> >>> hello, JoA... have you heard the one about JOB?
>> >>> it's God, he works that way
>> >>
>> > "Sharpe Fan" <sharpeseagle2003AntiSpam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>The God in JoA constantly says free will is im****tant and that Joan
can
>> >>always say no. But she can only given an informed yes or no if she
> knows
>> >>what is really being asked.
>> >
>> > A very large point from day one is that Joan can't know all the
>> > ramifications of what is being asked of her. For the time that the
> point
>> > was most explicitly driven home, see my sig.
>> >
>> > God has spent 41 episodes now, working to get Joan to just accept
what
> he
>> > asks of her on faith. In many ways this episode was a culmination of
> all
>> > that. God gives Joan an assignment, assures her that good will
result,
>> > gives her interim assurances that she's doing it right and that good
is
>> > resulting, and at the end tells her she did good and good resulted,
but
>> > Joan never got to see the good consequences and, per God, won't see
the
>> > good consequences of this particular assignment. Helen and Luke got a
>> > cookie after their lesson, but God has obviously reached the point
with
>> > Joan that he doesn't feel it necessary to give her a cookie every
time
> she
>> > does what he expects that she should be doing.
>> >
>> > As for the 'free will' question, when was it taken away? God did not
>> > march Joan down to that house like an automaton. God did not even
give
>> > Joan community service. Price did that, and he has free will just
like
>> > Joan does.
>> >
>> > When you come up to a red light, you have the free will to stop or
>> > continue. If you continue, the police have the free will to write
you
>> > a
>> > ticket. You then have the free will to not pay that ticket, and the
> judge
>> > has the free will to put you in jail. Legal and society rules, and
>> > awareness of others reactions to your actions, don't take away your
>> > free
>> > will, they just inform your choices.
>> >
>> > Also, for some strange reason, people confuse the ability to observe
>> > and
>> > predict behavior with controlling that behavior. God may know what
you
>> > will choose, but that doesn't mean that you don't choose. A more
> mundane
>> > example, if I run a red light in front of a police car, I am not
taking
>> > away the police officer's free will, just because I can accurately
> predict
>> > what his action will be. Flipping on the lights and coming after me
is
>> > still his choice.
>> >
>>
>> God asked Joan to pick up trash saying it was a safety hazard. When he
> did
>> this he knew (being omniscient) that she would be accused of egging the
> car
>> and punished for it. If God wanted Joan to do community service to get
> the
>> ripples, he should have explained that so she could decide if she would
>> or
>> not. Joan has never turned down his requests, although she has not
>> always
>> been happy with it.
>>
>> He could have even asked Joan to egg the car, so she would have had
some
>> fun.
>>
>
>
>> Asking her to do a simple thing, knowing it will cause her a lot of
> problems
>> is not honest.
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!did you just
> not
> even
> read the above reply by WGF at all
Yes.
Sharpe Fan
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