Re: 2nd Season Joan of Arcadia - Common Thread - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:20:18 GMT, "John Richards"
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>"Dennis Francis Heffernan" <hefferman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> John Richards wrote:
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>>>> kstahl wrote:
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>>>>> The primary source for the explanation that the devil is a fallen 
>>>>> angel is John Milton's "Paradise Lost" - which, strictly speaking,
is 
>>>>> not canonical.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the primary source that the devil is a fallen angel is 
>>>> Revelation 12:7.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most scholars interpret that verse as being a prophecy of a future 
>>> end-time event.
>>> 
>> 
>> That's not in dispute.
>
>We were discussing whether the devil *is* (present tense) a fallen angel.
>If the future prophecy is not in dispute, it would mean that the devil is

>not (yet) a fallen angel.

Revelations 12, like most of Revelations is written in very apocalyptic
style, but the relevant verses are pretty straightforward.

 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the
dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,
and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The dragon is explictly identified as Satan, his place was in heaven, he
was cast out of heaven (by Michael).


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"Who needs the big picture?  Not me.  Hints are fine."
Joan Girardi (after God shows her just a little of his omnipresent brain)