"Jim Gysin" <jimgysin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:18:55 -0700, "alooo" <uh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jim Gysin" <jimgysin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> > There's no reason to believe that they share the same mother, beyond
>> > the name. And again, I would be disappointed if the writers led us
to
>> > believe that Ben's mom died in childbirth, only to admit the next
>> > season that they basically lied about it. That's a dangerous path,
>> > and if they lose their credibility, they lose their audience. And I
>> > have to assume that they're smart enough to know that.
>>
>>
>> In the very same episode in which we were led to believe Ben's mom died
>> in
>> childbirth,
> You might as well say that we were led to believe that there was a
> plane crash, or that we were led to believe that Hurley likes food. In
> other words, I don't think this one was very gray.
I'll admit that my recollection of that episode isn't great. I seem to
recall her bleeding and maybe passing out and later we learned from Ben's
father that she died during childbirth. I don't remember any doctor
declaring her dead. If I'm correct, then the writers could easily explain
how she's still alive. As for the plane crash and Hurley's eating, we
witnessed both with our own eyes. It would be much more difficult for the
writers to explain those away. However, you might be on to something with
Hurley, after all, he did gave away some food this last episode...
>> Ben saw her on the island.
>
> And Jack had seen Christian, who was also said to be dead. And Hurley
> saw Dave, who was said to not exist. So at that time, at least,
> seeing someone new appear on the island wasn't reason to assume that
> that person actually still lived, or lived outside of the observer's
> imagination.
To be clear, I still think Ben's mother, Dave, Goodspeed, Charlie, Eko's
brother and Taller Walt were visions (though I'm not so sure about
Christian). I was addressing the notion that the writers need to provide
certain information in a timely manner and just because one assumption is
the logical one to make, it doesn't mean an alternative is impossible.
>> The idea that it was just a vision is
>> an assumption the viewers made so if it turns out she really was there,
>> don't blame the writers for not providing that evidence in a timely
>> manner.
>
> I think you're reaching. Even as someone who constantly reminds
> others to avoid making assumptions, I think you're reaching here.
Yes, I am reaching here because I think there's a little room for it. I
too
criticize people for making certain assumptions yet I still recognize that
quite often assumptions have to be made. But if the story unfolds in a way
that logically disproves my assumptions, I have to accept that my
assumptions were wrong.
> Perhaps, if one assumes that Lost is a typical show. But would you
> agree that Ben, at least, would know that Locke was his half-brother
> in that scenario? After all, he pretty much had dossiers on all of
> the crash survivors and the resources to do even more investigating of
> anyone he chose to investigate.
I totally agree that if Locke is Ben's half-brother, Ben probably knows.
But
Ben doesn't tend to give up information until he has to so I wouldn't
think
it's strange that he hasn't mentioned it yet. In fact, Ben's always had a
bit of a fascination toward Locke, which I assume is because he's "the
one"
but maybe I'm wrong and it's because he's his brother.
>> Also, we've had indications that both
>> Ben and Locke were "chosen ones" and it's not unreasonable to think DNA
>> might have something to do with that.
>
> Walt was/is "special," too, so I don't think it's a hereditary
> condition.
Walt's never been mentioned as a possible heir to the Island ***** throne
so
I think we're dealing with different kinds of "special" here.
>> That all said, I'm not convinced that John and Ben are siblings but I
>> don't
>> think it's an outrageous theory.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind is that the detective Locke hired to
> check out his mother seemed to do a pretty thorough job, up to and
> including her stints in psych wards. I would think that it would be
> on the record if she gave birth to a second child.
Ben supposedly has millions of dollars, access to pass****ts from multiple
countries and a fun little time traveling machine. If he wanted to alter
some records I have no doubt that he could.
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