Hunter wrote:
>
> In article <4827156A.40CE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkellis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > Hunter wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <4825BD94.2DA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkellis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > > yngver@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 9, 11:47 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On May 9, 11:38 am, ri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the doctors body washed a shore b/f he was killed on
the ****p, so the
> > > > > > > > island is in the future in that regard. (What if the
doctor knew? Could he
> > > > > > > > have changed history?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > He did know, because one of the crew told him about the
Morse code
> > > > > > > message. Nevertheless, that's the kind of thing you would
just shrug
> > > > > > > off and say, well, they're nuts because I'm fine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Using that same logic when the copter flew overhead and
dropped the package
> > > > > > > > with the phone could that have occurred b/f the copter
even took off the
> > > > > > > > freighter in freighter time?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the Losties would be a head of the coming bad guys?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm confusing myself now!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think keeping the helicopter on the proper heading avoids
the time
> > > > > > > distortion. Sayid did remark on the time difference when
Frank first
> > > > > > > brought them to the freighter, but they had veered off
course--which
> > > > > > > is why Desmond became unstuck in time.
> > > > > > > -yngver
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, they didn't veered of course. Sayid wanted Frank to
change course
> > > > > > because of the storm clouds, but Frank told him he had to stay
on course
> > > > > > if they were to reach the freighter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > > > --
> > > > > It was my understanding in that episode ("The Constant" that due
to
> > > > > turbulence from the storm Frank was unable to hold the bearing,
and
> > > > > that's basically how Lostpedia describes the incident.
> > > > > -yngver
> > > >
> > > > Unless that information from Lostpeida was written by one of the
> > > > producers or writers of the show it's not canon. The information
from
> > > > that site comes from some fan like us that has written what they
think
> > > > as to what happen in that scene.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred Ellis
> > > -----
> > > None the less it is highly accurate. If you have any doubts just
take any piece of
> > > data and then compare it to the show. They cite the episodes it
happend in as well.
> > > They even have the transcrips of all the episodes. If anything it is
the canon of the
> > > show, because it only describes what is on the show itself, podcast
and official
> > > statements of the producers and writers. I find it highly reliable.
If there is
> > > anything wrong with any of the data it is soon corrected. Let's take
Frank Lapidus's
> > > course. Here is Lostpedia's synopsis for "The Constant":
> > >
> > > (Snipped Dialogue)
> > >
> > > How much you want to bet it matches what we saw? Just double check
it with the video.
> > >
> > > Lost pedia is the effort of hundreds of fans checking on each other
making each other
> > > back up what they say with episode cites. You edit something there
better be prepared
> > > to back it up. I am sure it is not perfect, but what is?
> > > --
> > > ----->Hunter
> > >
> >
> > I have evey episode of 'Lost' recorded on DVD. I rewatched that
> > helicopter scene and there is no indication what so ever that the
> > helicopter went off course. Even tho it shows Frank struggling to
> > maintain control of the aircraft the last camera shot of the
instrument
> > panel shows the compass with a heading of 305.
> >
> > Later after the helicopter lands on the freighter, Keamy wants to know
> > happen to Desmond. Frank tells Keamy that as long as if he stayed on
> > the vector that Faraday gave him everything would be OK. This implies
> > that Frank did stay on course to get to the ****p. There's a scene on
> > the beach where Daniel tells Jack that some people just going to or
> > coming from the island can become 'confused' or 'unstuck in time'.
> >
> > What cause Desmond to become 'confused' was the mere fact of him
flying
> > through that storm not the helicopter being off course, which it was
> > not.
> >
> > I don't care what it says in Lostpedia as to how Desmond became
> > 'confused' or 'unstuck in time', who ever wrote that information has
it
> > all wrong.
> >
> >
> > Fred Ellis
> ----
> No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant" (S4XE5). In
it is the
> scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is flying
there is a
> first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close and
tight shot of
> the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This is at
time index
> 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot of
the episode of
> Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there is a
second shot of
> the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is shown
side long and
> at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time index
1:34 in
> which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
needle head and it
> shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank grabs
the joystick
> with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his British
Army barracks
> in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge because
the gauge is
> depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving showing
the course of
> the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turbulance of the
> thunder head.
>
> So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches what I
personally saw
> of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
screenshots of the
> of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of the
course change,
> but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> --
> ----->Hunter
>
Hunter, I did as you suggested and again reviewed that last camera shot
of the helicopters compass. I played it through advancing the video at
1/30 of a second starting at the beginning of shot . At the start the
compass needle is on the 305 indicator. But as you advance the video
the needle does move toward the right at the last several fractions of a
second. At the end of the camera shot the needle does appear to be on
the 310 indicator. But when viewed at normal speed with the camera
shaking a person might not notice the needle has changed. Plus along
with Frank telling Keame that he did maintain the correct course heading
that Faraday gave him the average viewer would get the impression that
the helicopter never did go off course.
But there is one piece of dialogue that tends to contradict that theory
that the helicopter being momentarily being off course caused Desmond to
become ‘confused’ or ‘unstuck’. When Faraday is informed that Desmond
is acting disorientated he wants to know if Desmond had been expose to
excessive amount of electromagnetism. Also Faraday says the some people
become ‘confused’ just by going to or coming from the island. He
doesn’t mention what would happen to someone if they used the wrong
course heading. Between what Faraday said about the electromagnetism
and simply leaving the island it appears that those two conditions
combined would be the cause for Desmond to become ‘confused’ or
‘unstuck’. Regardless if the helicopter had momentarily deviated from
the correct course.
Fred Ellis
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