On May 12, 6:07 pm, "yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 12, 1:21 pm, Hunter <buffhun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
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> > > Hunter wrote:
>
> > > > In article <4825BD94....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 9, 11:47 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On May 9, 11:38 am, ri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > So the doctors body washed a shore b/f he was killed on
the ****p, so the
> > > > > > > > > island is in the future in that regard. (What if the
doctor knew? Could he
> > > > > > > > > have changed history?)
>
> > > > > > > > He did know, because one of the crew told him about the
Morse code
> > > > > > > > message. Nevertheless, that's the kind of thing you would
just shrug
> > > > > > > > off and say, well, they're nuts because I'm fine.
>
> > > > > > > > > Using that same logic when the copter flew overhead and
dropped the package
> > > > > > > > > with the phone could that have occurred b/f the copter
even took off the
> > > > > > > > > freighter in freighter time?
>
> > > > > > > > > So the Losties would be a head of the coming bad guys?
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm confusing myself now!
>
> > > > > > > > I think keeping the helicopter on the proper heading
avoids the time
> > > > > > > > distortion. Sayid did remark on the time difference when
Frank first
> > > > > > > > brought them to the freighter, but they had veered off
course--which
> > > > > > > > is why Desmond became unstuck in time.
> > > > > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > > > > No, they didn't veered of course. Sayid wanted Frank to
change course
> > > > > > > because of the storm clouds, but Frank told him he had to
stay on course
> > > > > > > if they were to reach the freighter.
>
> > > > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > It was my understanding in that episode ("The Constant" that
due to
> > > > > > turbulence from the storm Frank was unable to hold the
bearing, and
> > > > > > that's basically how Lostpedia describes the incident.
> > > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > > Unless that information from Lostpeida was written by one of the
> > > > > producers or writers of the show it's not canon. The
information from
> > > > > that site comes from some fan like us that has written what they
think
> > > > > as to what happen in that scene.
>
> > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > -----
> > > > None the less it is highly accurate. If you have any doubts just
take any piece of
> > > > data and then compare it to the show. They cite the episodes it
happend in as well.
> > > > They even have the transcrips of all the episodes. If anything it
is the canon of the
> > > > show, because it only describes what is on the show itself,
podcast and official
> > > > statements of the producers and writers. I find it highly
reliable. If there is
> > > > anything wrong with any of the data it is soon corrected. Let's
take Frank Lapidus's
> > > > course. Here is Lostpedia's synopsis for "The Constant":
>
> > > > (Snipped Dialogue)
>
> > > > How much you want to bet it matches what we saw? Just double check
it with the video.
>
> > > > Lost pedia is the effort of hundreds of fans checking on each
other making each other
> > > > back up what they say with episode cites. You edit something there
better be prepared
> > > > to back it up. I am sure it is not perfect, but what is?
>
> > > > --
> > > > ----->Hunter
>
> > > I have evey episode of 'Lost' recorded on DVD. I rewatched that
> > > helicopter scene and there is no indication what so ever that the
> > > helicopter went off course. Even tho it shows Frank struggling to
> > > maintain control of the aircraft the last camera shot of the
instrument
> > > panel shows the compass with a heading of 305.
>
> > > Later after the helicopter lands on the freighter, Keamy wants to
know
> > > happen to Desmond. Frank tells Keamy that as long as if he stayed
on
> > > the vector that Faraday gave him everything would be OK. This
implies
> > > that Frank did stay on course to get to the ****p. There's a scene
on
> > > the beach where Daniel tells Jack that some people just going to or
> > > coming from the island can become 'confused' or 'unstuck in time'.
>
> > > What cause Desmond to become 'confused' was the mere fact of him
flying
> > > through that storm not the helicopter being off course, which it was
> > > not.
>
> > > I don't care what it says in Lostpedia as to how Desmond became
> > > 'confused' or 'unstuck in time', who ever wrote that information has
it
> > > all wrong.
>
> > > Fred Ellis
>
> > ----
> > No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant" (S4XE5). In
it is the
> > scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is flying
there is a
> > first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close and
tight shot of
> > the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This is at
time index
> > 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot of
the episode of
> > Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> > As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there is a
second shot of
> > the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is shown
side long and
> > at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time
index 1:34 in
> > which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
needle head and it
> > shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank grabs
the joystick
> > with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his
British Army barracks
> > in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> > You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge
because the gauge is
> > depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving showing
the course of
> > the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turbulance of the
> > thunder head.
>
> > So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches what I
personally saw
> > of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
screenshots of the
> > of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of the
course change,
> > but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> > Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> > --
> > ----->Hunter
>
> I don't have screencaps but that's the way I saw it happen--there was
> a shot of the compass needle straying from 305. Then Desmond became
> "unstuck" in time. Desmond was affected by the slight variance from
> course because he had been exposed to a large amount of
> electromagnetism. Faraday explained to Jack that the passengers on the
> helicopter would be fine as long as Lapidus followed the bearing he
> gave him--otherwise there could be "side effects". I think that
> comment was enough for viewers to understand that Lapidus *did* stray
> off course and therefore there *were* side effects--meaning Desmond
> came unstuck in time.
>
> If Lapidus had been able to hold course precisely, then why were there
> side effects anyway? Why did the writers include Faraday's comment
> about side effects due to not following the right bearing if that
> isn't what happened?
Probably because someone is going to leave the Island on the wrong
bearing in the remainder of the show, and something really bad is
going to happen.
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