On May 12, 10:31 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Hunter wrote:
>
> > In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > Hunter wrote:
>
> > > > In article <4825BD94....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 9, 11:47 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On May 9, 11:38 am, ri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > So the doctors body washed a shore b/f he was killed on
th=
e ****p, so the
> > > > > > > > > island is in the future in that regard. (What if the
docto=
r knew? Could he
> > > > > > > > > have changed history?)
>
> > > > > > > > He did know, because one of the crew told him about the
Mors=
e code
> > > > > > > > message. Nevertheless, that's the kind of thing you would
ju=
st shrug
> > > > > > > > off and say, well, they're nuts because I'm fine.
>
> > > > > > > > > Using that same logic when the copter flew overhead and
dr=
opped the package
> > > > > > > > > with the phone could that have occurred b/f the copter
eve=
n took off the
> > > > > > > > > freighter in freighter time?
>
> > > > > > > > > So the Losties would be a head of the coming bad guys?
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm confusing myself now!
>
> > > > > > > > I think keeping the helicopter on the proper heading
avoids =
the time
> > > > > > > > distortion. Sayid did remark on the time difference when
Fra=
nk first
> > > > > > > > brought them to the freighter, but they had veered off
cours=
e--which
> > > > > > > > is why Desmond became unstuck in time.
> > > > > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > > > > No, they didn't veered of course. Sayid wanted Frank to
chang=
e course
> > > > > > > because of the storm clouds, but Frank told him he had to
stay=
on course
> > > > > > > if they were to reach the freighter.
>
> > > > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > It was my understanding in that episode ("The Constant" that
due=
to
> > > > > > turbulence from the storm Frank was unable to hold the
bearing, =
and
> > > > > > that's basically how Lostpedia describes the incident.
> > > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > > Unless that information from Lostpeida was written by one of the
> > > > > producers or writers of the show it's not canon. The
information =
from
> > > > > that site comes from some fan like us that has written what they
t=
hink
> > > > > as to what happen in that scene.
>
> > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > -----
> > > > None the less it is highly accurate. If you have any doubts just
tak=
e any piece of
> > > > data and then compare it to the show. They cite the episodes it
happ=
end in as well.
> > > > They even have the transcrips of all the episodes. If anything it
is=
the canon of the
> > > > show, because it only describes what is on the show itself,
podcast =
and official
> > > > statements of the producers and writers. I find it highly
reliable. =
If there is
> > > > anything wrong with any of the data it is soon corrected. Let's
take=
Frank Lapidus's
> > > > course. Here is Lostpedia's synopsis for "The Constant":
>
> > > > (Snipped Dialogue)
>
> > > > How much you want to bet it matches what we saw? Just double check
i=
t with the video.
>
> > > > Lost pedia is the effort of hundreds of fans checking on each
other =
making each other
> > > > back up what they say with episode cites. You edit something there
b=
etter be prepared
> > > > to back it up. I am sure it is not perfect, but what is?
> > > > --
> > > > ----->Hunter
>
> > > I have evey episode of 'Lost' recorded on DVD. I rewatched that
> > > helicopter scene and there is no indication what so ever that the
> > > helicopter went off course. Even tho it shows Frank struggling to
> > > maintain control of the aircraft the last camera shot of the
instrumen=
t
> > > panel shows the compass with a heading of 305.
>
> > > Later after the helicopter lands on the freighter, Keamy wants to
know=
> > > happen to Desmond. Frank tells Keamy that as long as if he stayed
on
> > > the vector that Faraday gave him everything would be OK. This
implies=
> > > that Frank did stay on course to get to the ****p. There's a scene
on
> > > the beach where Daniel tells Jack that some people just going to or
> > > coming from the island can become 'confused' or 'unstuck in time'.
>
> > > What cause Desmond to become 'confused' was the mere fact of him
flyin=
g
> > > through that storm not the helicopter being off course, which it was
> > > not.
>
> > > I don't care what it says in Lostpedia as to how Desmond became
> > > 'confused' or 'unstuck in time', who ever wrote that information has
i=
t
> > > all wrong.
>
> > > Fred Ellis
> > ----
> > No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant" (S4XE5). In
i=
t is the
> > scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is flying
th=
ere is a
> > first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close and
tig=
ht shot of
> > the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This is at
t=
ime index
> > 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot of
th=
e episode of
> > Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> > As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there is a
se=
cond shot of
> > the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is shown
s=
ide long and
> > at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time
index=
1:34 in
> > which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
needl=
e head and it
> > shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank grabs
th=
e joystick
> > with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his
British =
Army barracks
> > in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> > You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge
because =
the gauge is
> > depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving showing
th=
e course of
> > the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turbul=
ance of the
> > thunder head.
>
> > So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches what I
p=
ersonally saw
> > of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
scree=
nshots of the
> > of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of the
c=
ourse change,
> > but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> > Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> > --
> > ----->Hunter
>
> Hunter, I did as you suggested and again reviewed that last camera shot
> of the helicopters compass. I played it through advancing the video at
> 1/30 of a second starting at the beginning of shot . At the start the
> compass needle is on the 305 indicator. But as you advance the video
> the needle does move toward the right at the last several fractions of a
> second. At the end of the camera shot the needle does appear to be on
> the 310 indicator. But when viewed at normal speed with the camera
> shaking a person might not notice the needle has changed. Plus along
> with Frank telling Keame that he did maintain the correct course heading
> that Faraday gave him the average viewer would get the impression that
> the helicopter never did go off course.
>
> But there is one piece of dialogue that tends to contradict that theory
> that the helicopter being momentarily being off course caused Desmond to
> become =91confused=92 or =91unstuck=92. When Faraday is informed that
Des=
mond
> is acting disorientated he wants to know if Desmond had been expose to
> excessive amount of electromagnetism. Also Faraday says the some people
> become =91confused=92 just by going to or coming from the island. He
> doesn=92t mention what would happen to someone if they used the wrong
> course heading. Between what Faraday said about the electromagnetism
> and simply leaving the island it appears that those two conditions
> combined would be the cause for Desmond to become =91confused=92 or
> =91unstuck=92. Regardless if the helicopter had momentarily deviated
from=
> the correct course.
Just to underscore your point, Desmond sailed away from the Island on
the wrong bearing the first time, when he tried to escape using the
sailboat, and he didn't start traveling in time. He just sailed in a
circle.
It's the "storm" (whatever it is) plus heavy doses of radiation that
are causing the flashes.
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