Re: Time Variance Regarding Helicopter

On May 13, 12:56 am, Darren Delgado <darrendelg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 12, 10:31 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hunter wrote:
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> > > In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> > > > Hunter wrote:
>

> > > ----
> > > No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant" (S4XE5).
In=
 it is the
> > > scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is
flying =
there is a
> > > first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close and
t=
ight shot of
> > > the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This is
at=
 time index
> > > 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot
of =
the episode of
> > > Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> > > As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there is
a =
second shot of
> > > the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is
shown=
 side long and
> > > at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time
ind=
ex 1:34 in
> > > which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
nee=
dle head and it
> > > shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank
grabs =
the joystick
> > > with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his
Britis=
h Army barracks
> > > in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> > > You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge
becaus=
e the gauge is
> > > depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving
showing =
the course of
> > > the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turb=
ulance of the
> > > thunder head.
>
> > > So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches what
I=
 personally saw
> > > of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
scr=
eenshots of the
> > > of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of
the=
 course change,
> > > but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> > > Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> > > --
> > > ----->Hunter
>
> > Hunter, I did as you suggested and again reviewed that last camera
shot
> > of the helicopters compass.  I played it through advancing the video
at
> > 1/30 of a second starting at the beginning of shot .  At the start the
> > compass needle is on the 305 indicator.  But as you advance the video
> > the needle does move toward the right at the last several fractions of
a=

> > second.  At the end of the camera shot the needle does appear to be on
> > the 310 indicator.  But when viewed at normal speed with the camera
> > shaking a person might not notice the needle has changed.  Plus along
> > with Frank telling Keame that he did maintain the correct course
heading=

> > that Faraday gave him the average viewer would get the impression that
> > the helicopter never did go off course.
>
> > But there is one piece of dialogue that tends to contradict that
theory
> > that the helicopter being momentarily being off course caused Desmond
to=

> > become =91confused=92 or =91unstuck=92.  When Faraday is informed that
D=
esmond
> > is acting disorientated he wants to know if Desmond had been expose to
> > excessive amount of electromagnetism.  Also Faraday says the some
people=

> > become =91confused=92 just by going to or coming from the island.  He
> > doesn=92t mention what would happen to someone if they used the wrong
> > course heading.  Between what Faraday said about the electromagnetism
> > and simply leaving the island it appears that those two conditions
> > combined would be the cause for Desmond to become =91confused=92 or
> > =91unstuck=92.  Regardless if the helicopter had momentarily deviated
fr=
om
> > the correct course.
>
> Just to underscore your point, Desmond sailed away from the Island on
> the wrong bearing the first time, when he tried to escape using the
> sailboat, and he didn't start traveling in time.  He just sailed in a
> circle.
>
> It's the "storm" (whatever it is) plus heavy doses of radiation that
> are causing the flashes.

Transcript from The Economist:

DANIEL: (carrying suitcase) Hey, Frank. Frank? (quietly) Just one
thing. Just be sure that you follow the same exact bearing that we
came in on. No matter what. By that, I mean no matter what. Just =96
just stay on it.

FRANK: Roger that.
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So why would Daniel impress upon Frank the absolute im****tance of
staying on that bearing *no matter what*  if the worst that will
happen otherwise is that they will fly in a circle?