Re: Time Variance Regarding Helicopter

yngver@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
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> On May 13, 12:56 am, Darren Delgado <darrendelg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > On May 12, 10:31 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hunter wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> > > > > Hunter wrote:
> >
> 
> > > > ----
> > > > No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant"
(S4XE5). In it is the
> > > > scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is
flying there is a
> > > > first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close
and tight shot of
> > > > the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This
is at time index
> > > > 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot
of the episode of
> > > > Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
> >
> > > > As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there
is a second shot of
> > > > the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is
shown side long and
> > > > at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time
index 1:34 in
> > > > which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
needle head and it
> > > > shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank
grabs the joystick
> > > > with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his
British Army barracks
> > > > in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
> >
> > > > You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge
because the gauge is
> > > > depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving
showing the course of
> > > > the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turbulance of the
> > > > thunder head.
> >
> > > > So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches
what I personally saw
> > > > of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
screenshots of the
> > > > of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of
the course change,
> > > > but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
> >
> > > > Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> > > > --
> > > > ----->Hunter
> >
> > > Hunter, I did as you suggested and again reviewed that last camera
shot
> > > of the helicopters compass.  I played it through advancing the video
at
> > > 1/30 of a second starting at the beginning of shot .  At the start
the
> > > compass needle is on the 305 indicator.  But as you advance the
video
> > > the needle does move toward the right at the last several fractions
of a
> > > second.  At the end of the camera shot the needle does appear to be
on
> > > the 310 indicator.  But when viewed at normal speed with the camera
> > > shaking a person might not notice the needle has changed.  Plus
along
> > > with Frank telling Keame that he did maintain the correct course
heading
> > > that Faraday gave him the average viewer would get the impression
that
> > > the helicopter never did go off course.
> >
> > > But there is one piece of dialogue that tends to contradict that
theory
> > > that the helicopter being momentarily being off course caused
Desmond to
> > > become ‘confused’ or ‘unstuck’.  When Faraday is informed that
Desmond
> > > is acting disorientated he wants to know if Desmond had been expose
to
> > > excessive amount of electromagnetism.  Also Faraday says the some
people
> > > become ‘confused’ just by going to or coming from the island.  He
> > > doesn’t mention what would happen to someone if they used the wrong
> > > course heading.  Between what Faraday said about the
electromagnetism
> > > and simply leaving the island it appears that those two conditions
> > > combined would be the cause for Desmond to become ‘confused’ or
> > > ‘unstuck’.  Regardless if the helicopter had momentarily deviated
from
> > > the correct course.
> >
> > Just to underscore your point, Desmond sailed away from the Island on
> > the wrong bearing the first time, when he tried to escape using the
> > sailboat, and he didn't start traveling in time.  He just sailed in a
> > circle.
> >
> > It's the "storm" (whatever it is) plus heavy doses of radiation that
> > are causing the flashes.
> 
> Transcript from The Economist:
> 
> DANIEL: (carrying suitcase) Hey, Frank. Frank? (quietly) Just one
> thing. Just be sure that you follow the same exact bearing that we
> came in on. No matter what. By that, I mean no matter what. Just –
> just stay on it.
> 
> FRANK: Roger that.
> ********************************************
> 
> So why would Daniel impress upon Frank the absolute im****tance of
> staying on that bearing *no matter what*  if the worst that will
> happen otherwise is that they will fly in a circle?

That's just it, if Frank wants to get back to the freighter and not fly
around in circles, he better stay on that course.  Remember Desmond when
he tried to sail away from the island he sailed due west toward Fiji. 
That would be a compass heading of 170 degrees.  He wasn't able to leave
the islands area because of that heading.

It appears that to leave the island's area you need to be traveling on a
certain compass heading to get through the island's 'electromagnetic
barrier' that surrounds it.  If you are not heading on that certain
compass course you won't be able to leave the island's area.


Fred Ellis
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