On May 13, 3:08 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > On May 13, 12:56 am, Darren Delgado <darrendelg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > On May 12, 10:31 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > Hunter wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > > > > Hunter wrote:
>
> > > > > ----
> > > > > No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant"
(S4XE5)=
.. In it is the
> > > > > scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is
fly=
ing there is a
> > > > > first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close
a=
nd tight shot of
> > > > > the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This
i=
s at time index
> > > > > 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST
shot=
of the episode of
> > > > > Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> > > > > As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there
i=
s a second shot of
> > > > > the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is
s=
hown side long and
> > > > > at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately
time=
index 1:34 in
> > > > > which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the
compass=
needle head and it
> > > > > shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank
gr=
abs the joystick
> > > > > with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his
Br=
itish Army barracks
> > > > > in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> > > > > You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge
be=
cause the gauge is
> > > > > depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving
show=
ing the course of
> > > > > the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the
severe =
turbulance of the
> > > > > thunder head.
>
> > > > > So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches
wh=
at I personally saw
> > > > > of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not
having=
screenshots of the
> > > > > of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description
of=
the course change,
> > > > > but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> > > > > Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> > > > > --
> > > > > ----->Hunter
>
> > > > Hunter, I did as you suggested and again reviewed that last camera
s=
hot
> > > > of the helicopters compass. I played it through advancing the
video=
at
> > > > 1/30 of a second starting at the beginning of shot . At the start
t=
he
> > > > compass needle is on the 305 indicator. But as you advance the
vide=
o
> > > > the needle does move toward the right at the last several
fractions =
of a
> > > > second. At the end of the camera shot the needle does appear to
be =
on
> > > > the 310 indicator. But when viewed at normal speed with the
camera
> > > > shaking a person might not notice the needle has changed. Plus
alon=
g
> > > > with Frank telling Keame that he did maintain the correct course
hea=
ding
> > > > that Faraday gave him the average viewer would get the impression
th=
at
> > > > the helicopter never did go off course.
>
> > > > But there is one piece of dialogue that tends to contradict that
the=
ory
> > > > that the helicopter being momentarily being off course caused
Desmon=
d to
> > > > become =91confused=92 or =91unstuck=92. When Faraday is informed
th=
at Desmond
> > > > is acting disorientated he wants to know if Desmond had been
expose =
to
> > > > excessive amount of electromagnetism. Also Faraday says the some
pe=
ople
> > > > become =91confused=92 just by going to or coming from the island.
H=
e
> > > > doesn=92t mention what would happen to someone if they used the
wron=
g
> > > > course heading. Between what Faraday said about the
electromagnetis=
m
> > > > and simply leaving the island it appears that those two conditions
> > > > combined would be the cause for Desmond to become =91confused=92
or
> > > > =91unstuck=92. Regardless if the helicopter had momentarily
deviate=
d from
> > > > the correct course.
>
> > > Just to underscore your point, Desmond sailed away from the Island
on
> > > the wrong bearing the first time, when he tried to escape using the
> > > sailboat, and he didn't start traveling in time. He just sailed in
a
> > > circle.
>
> > > It's the "storm" (whatever it is) plus heavy doses of radiation that
> > > are causing the flashes.
>
> > Transcript from The Economist:
>
> > DANIEL: (carrying suitcase) Hey, Frank. Frank? (quietly) Just one
> > thing. Just be sure that you follow the same exact bearing that we
> > came in on. No matter what. By that, I mean no matter what. Just =96
> > just stay on it.
>
> > FRANK: Roger that.
> > ********************************************
>
> > So why would Daniel impress upon Frank the absolute im****tance of
> > staying on that bearing *no matter what* if the worst that will
> > happen otherwise is that they will fly in a circle?
>
> That's just it, if Frank wants to get back to the freighter and not fly
> around in circles, he better stay on that course. Remember Desmond when
> he tried to sail away from the island he sailed due west toward Fiji.
> That would be a compass heading of 170 degrees. He wasn't able to leave
> the islands area because of that heading.
>
> It appears that to leave the island's area you need to be traveling on a
> certain compass heading to get through the island's 'electromagnetic
> barrier' that surrounds it. If you are not heading on that certain
> compass course you won't be able to leave the island's area.
>
> Fred Ellis
> --
You probably don't believe ABC's episode recaps either, but this is
from "The Constant":
"Sayid calls Jack, and tells him something happened to Desmond during
the flight. Faraday tells them they don't know why but coming to and
from the island causes people to become a little confused if they
don't do it just right."
So by your theory, "not doing it just right" is what, going through a
storm? It still seems clear to me that "doing it just right" means
exactly what Faraday said in the previous episode--to stick to the
exact bearing no matter what. And if you don't, you might get "a
little confused". To be honest, I don't see how there can be any doubt
about what he means.
-yngver
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