On May 12, 1:21 pm, Hunter <buffhun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> In article <4827156A.4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
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> > Hunter wrote:
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> > > In article <4825BD94....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > On May 9, 11:47 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > > > > On May 9, 11:38 am, ri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the doctors body washed a shore b/f he was killed on
the ****p, so the
> > > > > > > > island is in the future in that regard. (What if the
doctor knew? Could he
> > > > > > > > have changed history?)
>
> > > > > > > He did know, because one of the crew told him about the
Morse code
> > > > > > > message. Nevertheless, that's the kind of thing you would
just shrug
> > > > > > > off and say, well, they're nuts because I'm fine.
>
> > > > > > > > Using that same logic when the copter flew overhead and
dropped the package
> > > > > > > > with the phone could that have occurred b/f the copter
even took off the
> > > > > > > > freighter in freighter time?
>
> > > > > > > > So the Losties would be a head of the coming bad guys?
>
> > > > > > > > I'm confusing myself now!
>
> > > > > > > I think keeping the helicopter on the proper heading avoids
the time
> > > > > > > distortion. Sayid did remark on the time difference when
Frank first
> > > > > > > brought them to the freighter, but they had veered off
course--which
> > > > > > > is why Desmond became unstuck in time.
> > > > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > > > No, they didn't veered of course. Sayid wanted Frank to
change course
> > > > > > because of the storm clouds, but Frank told him he had to stay
on course
> > > > > > if they were to reach the freighter.
>
> > > > > > Fred Ellis
> > > > > > --
> > > > > It was my understanding in that episode ("The Constant" that due
to
> > > > > turbulence from the storm Frank was unable to hold the bearing,
and
> > > > > that's basically how Lostpedia describes the incident.
> > > > > -yngver
>
> > > > Unless that information from Lostpeida was written by one of the
> > > > producers or writers of the show it's not canon. The information
from
> > > > that site comes from some fan like us that has written what they
think
> > > > as to what happen in that scene.
>
> > > > Fred Ellis
> > > -----
> > > None the less it is highly accurate. If you have any doubts just
take any piece of
> > > data and then compare it to the show. They cite the episodes it
happend in as well.
> > > They even have the transcrips of all the episodes. If anything it is
the canon of the
> > > show, because it only describes what is on the show itself, podcast
and official
> > > statements of the producers and writers. I find it highly reliable.
If there is
> > > anything wrong with any of the data it is soon corrected. Let's take
Frank Lapidus's
> > > course. Here is Lostpedia's synopsis for "The Constant":
>
> > > (Snipped Dialogue)
>
> > > How much you want to bet it matches what we saw? Just double check
it with the video.
>
> > > Lost pedia is the effort of hundreds of fans checking on each other
making each other
> > > back up what they say with episode cites. You edit something there
better be prepared
> > > to back it up. I am sure it is not perfect, but what is?
>
> > > --
> > > ----->Hunter
>
> > I have evey episode of 'Lost' recorded on DVD. I rewatched that
> > helicopter scene and there is no indication what so ever that the
> > helicopter went off course. Even tho it shows Frank struggling to
> > maintain control of the aircraft the last camera shot of the
instrument
> > panel shows the compass with a heading of 305.
>
> > Later after the helicopter lands on the freighter, Keamy wants to know
> > happen to Desmond. Frank tells Keamy that as long as if he stayed on
> > the vector that Faraday gave him everything would be OK. This implies
> > that Frank did stay on course to get to the ****p. There's a scene on
> > the beach where Daniel tells Jack that some people just going to or
> > coming from the island can become 'confused' or 'unstuck in time'.
>
> > What cause Desmond to become 'confused' was the mere fact of him
flying
> > through that storm not the helicopter being off course, which it was
> > not.
>
> > I don't care what it says in Lostpedia as to how Desmond became
> > 'confused' or 'unstuck in time', who ever wrote that information has
it
> > all wrong.
>
> > Fred Ellis
>
> ----
> No its not. I just reveiwed the prolouge of "The Constant" (S4XE5). In
it is the
> scenes of Sayid, Desmond and Frank in the chopper. As Frank is flying
there is a
> first establi****ng shot of the helicopter's compass. It is close and
tight shot of
> the compass needle. It is DEAD ON and steady on course 305. This is at
time index
> 1:10. The time is relative to the beginning of the VERY FIRST shot of
the episode of
> Desmond staring at the photo of him and Penny.
>
> As they fly into the thunderheand and encounter turbulance there is a
second shot of
> the compass at time index 1:27 but you can't read it since it is shown
side long and
> at a distance. However there is a third shot at approximately time index
1:34 in
> which there is a tight, close, direct, frontal shot of the compass
needle head and it
> shows the needle moving to a course of 310! At this point Frank grabs
the joystick
> with two hands. Directly after that is Desmond waking up in his British
Army barracks
> in 1996. The compass needle cleary moved.
>
> You will have to use freeze frame and walk it to read the gauge because
the gauge is
> depicted as shaking but you clearly cam see the needle moving showing
the course of
> the chopper change from 305 to course 310 as it enters the severe
turbulance of the
> thunder head.
>
> So Lostpedia saying that the chopper strayed off course matches what I
personally saw
> of the helicopter's compass. I do fault the article for not having
screenshots of the
> of the compass to give a visual confirmation of the description of the
course change,
> but it did happen as Lostpedia described.
>
> Can anyone post the relevant screencaps here please?
> --
> ----->Hunter
http://getlostpodcast.com/2008/02/29/lost-episode-405--the-constant-screencap-recap.aspx
This has a screencap of the compass veering from the 305 bearing.
-yngver
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