Re: Time Variance Regarding Helicopter

yngver@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> 
> On May 13, 10:07 pm, Fred Ellis <fkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > yng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >
> > > (Snipped)
> >
> > > You probably don't believe ABC's episode recaps either, but this is
> > > from "The Constant":
> >
> > > "Sayid calls Jack, and tells him something happened to Desmond
during
> > > the flight. Faraday tells them they don't know why but coming to and
> > > from the island causes people to become a little confused if they
> > > don't do it just right."
> >
> > > So by your theory, "not doing it just right" is what, going through
a
> > > storm? It still seems clear to me that "doing it just right" means
> > > exactly what Faraday said in the previous episode--to stick to the
> > > exact bearing no matter what. And if you don't, you might get "a
> > > little confused". To be honest, I don't see how there can be any
doubt
> > > about what he means.
> > > -yngver
> >
> > I think you are getting some of the scenes confused.  And yes I do
have
> > recorded copies of every episode of 'Lost'.  I think you're mixing
> > Faradya's dialogue between two scenes from the episode 'The Constant'.
> >
> > There is a scene early in the episode where Jack and Juliet ask Daniel
> > and Charlotte as why it is taking so long for the helicopter to reach
> > the freighter.  Why they have not heard from Sayid.  Daniel explains
to
> > Jack and Juliet that "Your perception of how long your friends have
been
> > gone... it's not necessarily how long they've actually 'been' gone.
> > It'll be fine.  It'll be fine.  As long as Frank flew on the bearing
> > that I gave him.  If he stayed on it, it... it'll be fine."  Then Jack
> > askes what if he didn't, Daniel that says "Then there might be side
> > effects."  Daniel doesn't state exactly what are the side effects. 
The
> > side effects could be they would fly/sail around in circles just like
> > Desmond did when he tried to leave the island.
> >
> > In a later scene where Sayid calls Jack about Desmond, Daniel says
"But
> > going to and coming from the island, some people can get a little...
> > confused."  He doesn't say anything about "if they don't do it just
> > right."  Also Daniel doesn't ask whether or not the helicopter stayed
on
> > course the whole time during the flight to the freighter.  If Daniel
> > suspected that a momentary deviation from the flight path would cause
> > Desmond's condition he should have asked about it.  Had Daniel been
told
> > about Desmond being exposed to the electromagnetic anomaly when the
Swan
> > station imploded he would most likely have said that was part of the
> > reason for Desmond being 'confused'.  Based on that scene you get the
> > impression that some people can get 'confused' just by going to or
> > coming from the island.
> >
> > Fred Ellis
> > --
> Why do you say I am getting the scenes confused when I was quoting
> from ABC's recap of the episodes? I guess you meant to say that ABC
> must be getting scenes from Lost confused.
> 
> Regardless, there are so many sources that sup****t the idea that it
> was Frank's inability to stay exactly on course that caused Desmond's
> "sickness" it seems that it could hardly be made any clearer.
> 
> How do you interpret Gault's statement to Sayid in "Cabin Fever":
> "GAULT: Stay on a heading of exactly 3-0-5. Faraday says that's the
> only safe way to and from the boat."
> 
> If the only "side effect" of straying off course is that Sayid would
> sail in a circle, what's so unsafe about that? And if he might get
> "confused" just coming back or going to the island even if he stays on
> the exact heading, how can that heading be called the only safe way?
> -yngver

I guess who ever is doing those recaps for the ABC website is getting it
wrong.  The dialogue I quoted in my last post was taken directly from
the orginal broadcast recording of the show.  That's what I go by.

If, as you say, to safely leave the island you must be on a heading of
305.  If you don't you'll become 'confused' or 'unstuck in time'.  This
implies that you can travel away from the island in any direction.  But
to keep from becoming 'confused' or 'unstuck' you need to be on a
heading of 305.  If the 305 heading is the only safe heading to keep
from being 'confused' then any other heading should get you away from
the island.  

Then why wasn't Desmond able to sail away from the island.  He sailed on
a heading of 270 which would have taken him to Fiji.  He should have
made it, but with 'side effects'.  He would have been in a 'confused'
state or 'unstuck in time', but he would have made it.

Don't forget Daniel tells Jack "But going to and coming from the island,
some people can get a little... confused."  Daniel doesn't say anything
about deviating from the course will cause the person to become
'confused'.

The reason Gault tells Sayid to use the heading 305 is so he actually
get back to the island.  Which doesn't make sense since the reverse
heading of 305 is 125.


Fred Ellis
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