Re: Immaculate conception

On May 15, 4:15 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT), Darren Delgado
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> <darrendelg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 15, 12:01 am, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:18:48 -0700, "alooo" <u...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > "Jim Gysin" <jimgy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 14:24:56 -0500, Gumby <gu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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> > > > >> "Goofy fairy stories." You don;t see how that is overtly
> > > > >> disrespectful?  You can agree to disagree without resorting to
> > > > >> complete disrespect of others' beliefs.
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> > > > >> Your need to insult speaks volumes.
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> > > > > But he and others like him rarely see it.  That's what's so
funny and
> > > > > sad and ironic all at the same time.
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> > > > What's funny and sad and ironic to me is when people take
exception to such
> > > > statements toward religion but then they express the same attitude
toward
> > > > other unsubstantiated beliefs. It just seems to me that anybody
who thinks
> > > > some dude had a little chit chat with a burning bush shouldn't be
too quick
> > > > to dismiss some bum's claims that God told him to impregnate Uma
Thurman.
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> > > Speaking only for myself here, the issue isn't that the beliefs of
> > > others are being dismissed.  Rather, it's the insensitive and rude
and
> > > arguably antagonistic way that the beliefs of others are being
> > > dismissed.
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> > Sorry man.  I find a lot of things in the bible reprehensible
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> I find a lot of the *stories* in the bible reprehensible, but not the
> tenets of the bible.  Similarly, I find some of the story lines on Lost
> to be pretty much worthless, but I don't write off the whole show
> because of it.
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> > and I'm
> > not going to give respect to someone who believes in stuff like
> > slavery and stoning insubordinate children.
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> I think you're confusing stories in the bible with tenets of the bible
> again.
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> > If someone espoused that
> > stuff to you in an open forum like Usenet you would probably plonk
> > them immediately, but if they espouse the bible which contains that
> > stuff, we're supposed to automatically respect their beliefs?  Agree
> > to disagree.
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> Where in the bible are we told that today's Jews and Christians must
> espouse slavery and the stoning of children?  I don't claim to be a
> bible scholar, but this is certainly news to me.
>
> One last question and I'll stop for now: when I read a murder mystery,
> am I espousing murder?

No, but I am talking about the people who believe the bible as the
word of god.  I read the bible too (I wouldn't dismiss something I
didn't check out for myself), but there is a difference between
reading it and believing it.