Re: [OT] Fahrenheit 9-11 was Re: Mazes and Monsters

capt_malachias@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"Ubiquitous" <weberm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> capt_malachias@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"Ubiquitous" <weberm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> That does not negate the fact that "Fahrenheit 9-11" was a fictional
>>>> movie, not a do***entary.
>>>
>>>Upon what evidence are you basing that claim?  Be specific.
>>
>> It's been highly do***ented, actually.
>
>That it is not a do***entary?  No, not that I have seen.

I'm sure you wouldn't. Perhaps you should read something other than that
dog-earred stack of Michael Moore comic books for your "news".

>> I leave to you as a trivial exercise to look it up,
>
>Nice dodge.  Let me know when you grow the balls to actually answer the 
>question.  

In other words, you are not up to the task. Try these for starters:

http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/
http://moorelies.com/
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/001376
http://www.duamm.blogspot.com/

Ask someone to assist you with Google for more.

>Note that nothing you say below, even if true, shows this to be a 
>fictional movie and not a do***entary.

In other words, you are not about to let the facts interfere with your 
opinion. That pretty much says all we need to know about your objectivity.

>> Off the top of my head:
>>
>> AlGore's "victory party" was footage from before the polls had opened.
>
>Is it anywhere claimed otherwise?

Yes. The placement of the footage implied it.

>> Moore claimed that Fox News declared Bush the winner, causing the
others
>> to mysteriously change their minds. Actually, Fox also declared AlGore
>> the winner and CNN was the first network to declare Bush the winner.
>
>Proof?

It's a matter of public record. 

>> The quote about Al Gore winning a third recount was taken out of
context
>> (he was talking about a specific methodology that was not requested).
>
>By "specific methodology" you are referring to "complete statewide
recount," 
>of course.  At the time, Gore had only suggested a partial recount.

The movie stated via that out-of-context clip that Al Gore would have
won every recount. QED

>> Moore mentioned the myth about black people being turned away from
>> polls.
>
>Myth?  It was certainly asserted by a significant number of members of 
>Congress.

Al Gore being one of them. I bet you believe he helped invent the Internet
and was the inspiration for Love Story too. The fact is they were unable
to find anyone who could back up their ridiculous claims. QED

>> Moore claimed that Bush never read his morning briefing which said OBL
>> had planned the attacks that day. Bush read the re****t which vaguely
>> stated that they suspected that OBL was fixing to hijack a plane.
>
>Proof?

The actual brief, which read:

	We have not been able to corroborate some of the 
	more sensational threat re****ting, such as that 
	from a [deleted text] service in 1998 saying that 
	Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain 
	the release of "Blind Shaykh" ‘Umar’ Abd aI-Rahman 
	and other U.S.-held extremists. 

	Nevertheless, FBI information since that time 
	indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this 
	country consistent with preparations for hijackings 
	or other types of attacks, including recent 
	surveillance of federal buildings in New York. 

QED

>> Moore claimed that the Bin Ladens mysteriously were allowed to fly
>> away while air traffic was still grounded. Actually, they were
>> begining to allow flights that day.
>
>Yes, they were.  Flights were certainly limited, though, and there is a 
>great deal of controversy about this situation.

Hardly. Flight restrictions were loosened and there was concern for the
safety
of arabs. BTW, the plane with Bin Laden's family left the following week.
The
only contreversy is in the minds of the kooky 9-11 conspiracists. 

>> Moore conveniently ignored what Iraq was like before we liberated it.
>
>You are conveniently ignoring what it is like now.

You really need to get a handle on your irrational hatred of George Bush 
clouding your objective view of reality. Things are objectionally better 
there than they were.

>> Moore took an injured veteran's comments out of context.
>
>Nonsense.  Explain exactly how his comments were taken out of context.

Are you really this obtuse, or employing another weak diversionary tactic?

It's a simple matter to take a clip of a solider at Walter Reid expressing
his frustration in rehab and editing it to appear like he's answering a 
question of Moore's choosing.

>> Moore described footage of soldiers removing a passed-out drunk from
the
>> street as abuse arising from the war being illegal.
>
>?

In other words, some footage of a drunk who had passed out on the street
was
described as them humiliating a detained Iraqi soldier.

>> Moore claimed that the liberal media sup****ted Bush and the war.
>
>The media most certainly did sup****t the war.  Rah! Rah! Rah!

No, they didn't. In fact, they declared it another "Vietnam quagmire"
before it even began.

-- 
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad 
for them, it's failing.