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Re: Mazes and Monsters

by "D.T.Collins" <dirk.collins@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 14, 2006 at 02:29 AM

No. 33 Secretary wrote:
> Sea Wasp wrote:
>> Kaos wrote:
>>> Invid Fan wrote:
>>>> Bill Wayne wrote:
>>>>No different then getting it from a book. Suppose Ayn Rand had skipped
>>>>the book and done The Fountainhead as a movie. Would the ideas in it
>>>>have less meaning?
>>>
>>> Is it possible for it to have less meaning in the first place?
>>> (Outside of an objectivist "our groupthink isn't groupthink at all"
>>> camp, that is...)
>>
>>      Your above comment shows you have either not read, or have not
>> understood, Rand's philosophy. It is easily possible to show that her
>> philosophy has FLAWS -- basically the same flaws pure Communism has,
>> in a dark mirror -- but dismissing it so casually indicates a failure
>> to grasp it at all.
>>
> "I still believe that Rand was a great philosopher. But I am ****fting
> toward the position that her greatness is as an unhappy example of
> inadvertent folly."
>
> http://home.ca.inter.net/~grantsky/re-evaluating.html
>
> The most common description I see of Rand (other than from people who 
> sound
> like over-excited puppies, that is) is "cult leader." Not someone whose
> opinions I really care about.

O.K. then, what philosopher rules? Nietzsche is out. He was too affected
by 
bauhaus and urban expressionism to have his philosophy outlive his 
generation. Sartre is out. He is but a pale reflection of Simone de 
Beauvoir. She is out, in her gender blindness . Heidigger is out, taking a

polarized view across from Rand, and being too affected by Nietzsche's
rose 
colored opticals.  McDowell is too quiet in a chaotic universe, he liked 
Kant to much anyway. Evans is out, his works are incomplete. Kripke is
out, 
for philosophy can exist without language. Putnam is a contender...
Habermas 
is out though, his view of philosophy as being im****tant exclusively with 
communication and cutting off the rest of the universe demonstrates the 
walls of the sandbox he is playing in. Honneth is out, his philosophy is 
about materialism and recognition. Wittgenstein is out too, being too 
focused on philosophy as a form of communication as opposed to a state of 
being. Schopenhauer is a contender. Berkeley is out, holding up the 
development of mathmatics for almost 200 years on account of irrational 
religious beliefs instantly disqualifies him. Buddism is a strong
contender 
amonsgt religions, however the capacity of buddism to tolerate continuous 
suffering and pain is discouraging, to say the least. The Vedic texts seem

strong as well, however overly concentrate on the social aspects of 
philosophy.

So... Putnam and Schopenhauer. Too bad there are not more works on native 
american and african philosophies.

Re,
Dirk
 




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Invid Fan <invid@[EMAI  2006-09-10 21:10:03 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2006-09-11 16:35:00 
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"D.T.Collins" &  2006-09-12 02:45:03 
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