Sea Wasp <seawaspobvious@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> Kaos wrote:
>> on Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:10:03 -0400, Invid Fan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <1157905323.254724.95550@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Bill
>>>Wayne <HWayne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>No different then getting it from a book. Suppose Ayn Rand had skipped
>>>the book and done The Fountainhead as a movie. Would the ideas in it
>>>have less meaning?
>>
>>
>> Is it possible for it to have less meaning in the first place?
>> (Outside of an objectivist "our groupthink isn't groupthink at all"
>> camp, that is...)
>
> Your above comment shows you have either not read, or have not
> understood, Rand's philosophy.
Why does it show that? Demonstrate.
This *assertion* is always the first defense of the Randroids. Since I
hold you more intelligent than that, I think you can do better.
And Kaos is right, the content of Rand's fiction is almost zero, aside
from 'Egoism rules!'.
> It is easily possible to show that her philosophy has FLAWS --
Fundamental flaws even, making it an untenable position. Like glossing
over the is/ought distinction, but building the entire philosophy of
how a nation should function on that very distinction, without
explaining on how to get from is to ought.
> basically the same flaws pure Communism has, in a dark mirror
I hate to say it, but Marx was, especially given his historical
context, a lot more on the ball than Rand.
The only basic mistake I see him making is thinking that a power
structure will give up its power voluntarily. As the Anarchists of his
day even pointed out, that's not going to happen. They turned out to
be right.
> -- but
> dismissing it so casually indicates a failure to grasp it at all.
Or perhaps Kaos *has* read Rand, and rightly *does* dismiss it
casually because that's all that's necessary for bad pop philosophy.
I have read Rand, her non-fiction even, and I happen to agree with
Kaos. It's vapid, has no content except "The Individual is God and the
collective is the Great Satan", and it is badly argued. Correctly
using long words does not a philosopher make.
Mart
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"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
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