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Re: Soon to arrive my HDTV

by w_tom <w_tom1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM

On Mar 27, 1:21 pm, bud-- <remove.budn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
 For accurate information on surges and surge protection try:http://
www.mikeholt.com/files/PDF/LightningGuide_FINALpublishedversio...
> - "How to protect your house and its contents from lightning: IEEE guide
> for surge protection of equipment connected to AC power and
> communication circuits"  published by the IEEE in 2005 (the IEEE is the
> dominant organization of electrical and electronic engineers in the US).
> And also:http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf
> - "NIST recommended practice guide: Surges Happen!: how to protect the
> appliances in your home"  published by the US National Institute of
> Standards and Technology in 2001

  My faithful troll has arrived.  Good.  Now let's see that the IEEE
and NIST really say.  Both are quite blunt about what provides
protection - earth ground.  From the NIST citation:
  On page 6 (Adobe page 8 of 24) at
> You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor
> "arrest" it.  What these protective devices do is
> neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply
> divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

  On page 17 (Adobe page 19 of 24) of
> A very im****tant point to keep in mind is that your
> surge protector will work by diverting the surges to
> ground.  The best surge protection in the world can
> be useless if grounding is not done properly.

  What must the effective MOV connect?  It must connect each AC wire
to earth ground.  Where is surge energy dissipated?

  The other citation shows what happens when a surge protector is too
close to appliances and too far from earth ground.  Surge is earth,
8000 volts destructively, via the adjacent TV.  Surge will find earth
ground.  Voltage will rise as necessary so that current will flow to
earth.  On Page 42 Figure 8, the surge voltage increases so that 8000
volts across TV2 was the path to earth.

  Had that surge been earthed before entering the building (protector
costs about $1 per protected appliance), then no surge would have been
seeking earth ground, 8000 volts destructively, via that two AC wire
TV.

  8000 volts?  Surge overwhelmed protection already inside that TV.
An MOV located between TV's AC wires would have done nothing useful.
Anything that would be useful on a TV's AC power wire is already
inside the TV.   TV protection means earthing before surges enter a
building. The protector is only as effective as its single point earth
ground.

  Meanwhile, ask Bud for manufacturer specs that actually claim
protection.  His complete 'magic box' solution will not even claim to
provide protection.  Bud cannot provide any specs because those
protection specs do not exist.  For maybe the 400th time - Bud, where
are those specifications?  Why do you never provide numbers that claim
protection.  Oh.  You are  promoting plug-in protectors - with no
earth ground connection.
 




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