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Re: Soon to arrive my HDTV

by w_tom <w_tom1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 2, 2008 at 01:37 PM

On Apr 2, 6:05 am, Jer <gd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Lemme ask you a question...  what is it about you that expects anyone to
> believe you know what you talking about?  Do you have some professional
> cred that we don't know about?  If you do, tell us where we can find it
> and hope we do.  Your point was made a long time ago and I'm sick of
> hearing the same thing from you over and over and over like a broken
> record.  We get it!!

  You may get it.  But after ineffective is defined, why is an
overpriced Tripplite cited as a 'quality' protector?  That's the
point, isn't it.  This idea that a plug-in protector is also
protection is so embedded in conventional wisdom that the Tripplite is
'exampled' as a quality product.  The Tripplite does not even claim to
provide that protection.  Where damage cannot happen, those facilities
install 'whole house' type protectors and better earth ground.  High
reliability facilities don't use plug-in protectors.  Effective
protector earths surges without anyone knowing a surge even existed;
with the protector remaining undamaged.

  Because MOVs have exploded or plug-in protector "sacrificed itself
to save my computer" means that is good or means protection even
existed?  Of course not.    Spending money on plug-in protectors is
foolish.  Spending that same money on one 'whole house' protector AND
upgrading building earthing provides protection for an HDTV and for
everything else inside the building.

  Some will 'feel' everything can be unplugged before a storm arrives.
Clearly they are home and awake 24 hours every day?  What protects
something most necessary during the storm - smoke detectors?  What
protects the dishwasher?  What protects kitchen and bathroom GFCIs?
Clock radios? Dimmer and timer switches?  Microwave oven? Unplugging
for protection is both futile and unnecessary.  Does your telco unplug
their CO computer - discontinue phone service - during T-storms?  Of
course not.  Instead, the telco installs and better earths 'whole
house' protectors.  Protector is defined by earthing.

  Two top of the front page articles in Electrical Engineering Times
on 1 Oct and 8 Oct 2007 entitled "Protecting Electrical Devices from
Lightning Transients" at:
  http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201807127
  http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201807830
Where is the plug-in protector?  No discussed.  The article is about
providing protection.  The most im****tant component where ever
protection is required - earth ground - is discussed extensively.
Why?  Protectors don't provide protection.  Protectors only connect
surges to protection - earth ground.  The effective protector is only
as effective as its earth ground.

  Other professionals make that same point.  IEEE makes
recommendations in Standards.  From IEEE Red Book (Standard 141):
> In actual practice, lightning protection is achieve by the
> process of interception of lightning produced surges,
> diverting them to ground, and by altering their
> associated wave shapes.

  From the US Air Force is how grounding must be installed:
> 15.1. Entering or exiting metallic power, intrusion detection,
> communication antenna, and instrumentation lines must have
> surge protection sized for lightning surges to reduce transient
> voltages to a harmless level. Install the surge protection as
> soon as practical where the conductor enters the interior of
> the facility.

Orange County Florida suffered surge damage to critical emergency
response facilities.  Orange County eliminated surge damage by not
using plug-in protectors.  The entire solution was to fix and upgrade
earthing:
  http://www.psihq.com/AllCopper.htm

  Even underground wires must be surge protected where entering a
building:
   http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/technotes/tncr002.pdf

  Earthing so im****tant that homes in high lightning regions install
superior Ufer grounds:
   http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/ufer.jpg
   http://www.psihq.com/iread/ufergrnd.htm
   http://scott-inc.com/html/ufer.htm

  Where effective solutions are installed, earthing - not a plug-in
protector - is the solution.  A protector is only as effective as its
earth ground. Believe me - or believe professionals who are not
selling a scam.  OP asked about HDTV protection. Select your choice.
 




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