Re: Is Oppo the way to go?

phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 08:09:39 -0500 Jer <gdunn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> | Tim wrote:
> |> Chet Bosco wrote:
> |> 
> |>> In article <fvrbq302j5t@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> |>> says...
> |>>
> |>>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 00:54:31 GMT Fishface <invalid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> |>>> | Theodore Bundy wrote:
> |>>> | |>I want to get an upconverting DVD player that will play DVD+R
discs.
> |>>> |> Reading reviews seems to cite the Oppo as doing the best job. 
Any
> |>>> |> thoughts on competing products?  TIA.
> |>>> | | I don't know, but the cheap upconverting Sony I got at Costco
for 
> |>>> half
> |>>> | the price looks fine to me and came with an HDMI cable.  Only 
> |>>> upconverts
> |>>> | via the HDMI connection.
> |>>> And what will an HD TV do if it gets video that is NOT upconverted?
> |>>>
> |>>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> They will upconvert the signal themselves.  Upconversion in the
player 
> |>> is only of any benefit if the TV, monitor, or projector doesn't do
it 
> |>> by itself.
> |>>
> |>> CB
> |> 
> |> Do all TVs upconvert equally? Do some TVs upconvert better than
others?
> |> Is it possible that upconverting DVD players do a better job, with
more 
> |> expensive and more sophisticated hardware and software?
> |> 
> |> All upconverting is not the same, otherwise you would buy the
cheapest 
> |> upcoverting DVD player.
> | 
> | 
> | That's a good point, my TVs will upconvert ANY signal input, and the
BD 
> | player will upconvert SD material before sending it to the TV.  I've 
> | tried both and can see no difference between the two.
> | 
> | Full Disclosure:  It should be noted that the BD player here will
output 
> | 24fps/30fps material natively, and the TV can display 24fps/30fps 
> | material natively, and the AVR will do all this and more.
> 
> I'm curious what model will display 24fps natively.  I'm looking for an
LCD
> display that will do so.  Actually, I'm looking for one for a computer.
> But even seeing a TV that would lets me know the TV engineers have
finally
> figured it out.


The Sony line of LCD panels call it "Cinema mode" for their native 24fps 
playback feature, and those that don't still have a 3:2 pulldown feature.

> 
> 
> | Further, it should also be noted that not all DVD players will output 
> | 24fps natively, but will use a feature to convert 24fps to 30fps,
often 
> | called "3:2 pulldown" for displays that only do 30fps - best
implemented 
> | with a Faroudja engine (hint: Oppo), IMO, although there are other 
> | technologies also using the '3:2 pulldown' moniker.
> 
> Which, of course, sucks.  OTOH, some TVs re****t an ability to detect and
> fix the 3:2 pulldown.  They'd have to display at some multiple of 24fps
to
> achieve that.  Some do work at 120fps which could.

The 3:2 pulldown has something to do with strategically inserting a 
composite frame to achieve 30fps from 24fps source, and yes, some do 
this better than others.  Since I have an extensive DVD library here 
which is used almost daily, I decided it best to have 24fps native 
somewhere in the food chain.

I did unscientifically test SD DVD's while locking the BD player and TV 
into 30fps mode, and the Faroudja engine in the AVR did well enough I 
honestly couldn't tell much difference.  In the end though, I allow the 
BD player output disc native (24/30fps), pass-through the AVR with the 
Faroudja engine hobbled, and let the TV do what it does best, and 
everybody is happy.

> 
> 
> | Most im****tantly, do your own research.  Don't hang on flashy words
used 
> | by sales droids, learn enough about the technology to make your own 
> | informed decisions predicated on your own situation.
> 
> And you can't depend on the company web site; they are created by
marketing
> droids, who are as bad as sales droids.


Absotively true.


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jer
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