Re: Is Oppo the way to go?

On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:11:50 -0500 Jer <gdunn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> On Wed, 07 May 2008 15:14:43 -0500 Jer <gdunn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> | phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> |> On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:35:46 -0500 Jer <gdunn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> |> | phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> |> |> On Wed, 07 May 2008 00:54:31 GMT Fishface <invalid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|> |> |> | Theodore Bundy wrote:
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|> |> |> |>I want to get an upconverting DVD player that will play DVD+R
discs.
|> |> |> |> Reading reviews seems to cite the Oppo as doing the best job. 
Any
|> |> |> |> thoughts on competing products?  TIA.
|> |> |> | 
|> |> |> | I don't know, but the cheap upconverting Sony I got at Costco
for half
|> |> |> | the price looks fine to me and came with an HDMI cable.  Only
upconverts
|> |> |> | via the HDMI connection. 
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> And what will an HD TV do if it gets video that is NOT
upconverted?
|> |> |> 
|> |> | 
|> |> | 
|> |> | The Sony TVs here will convert to their native 1080p resolution
using 
|> |> | 24fps/30fps with 120Hz frame rate where necessary.
|> |> 
|> |> At what rate is the LCD grid being updated (this question does not
apply to
|> |> non-LCD displays)?
|> |> 
|> |> What I want to know is why can't they simply make the TV update the
LCD grid
|> |> at exactly the frame rate the incoming video has (as long as the
video frame
|> |> rate does not exceed the rate the TV is able to process ... which
should be
|> |> at least as wide as from 23.976fps to 60fps).
|> |> 
|> | 
|> | 
|> | The Sony display here has a 120Hz "Motionoflow" feature, which
provides 
|> | a 60fps 'refresh' rate.  This can be hobbled if I want, and I tested 
|> | without it using 30fps SD DVD material and noticed the "bumble bee" 
|> | effect in fast motion frames, presumably an artifact of the
upconversion 
|> | process.  The instant I re-activated Motionflow, all was mucho
bettero.
|> 
|> Sounds like a motion interpolation feature.  Fast moving content needs
to
|> be recorded ay 60fps.
| 
| 
| Do any native 60fps DVD's exist?  I don't think I've seen one if they
do.

I haven't specifically heard of one.  I've seen DVD players with
progressive
output, and even with the implication it could do progressive output from
a
"regular" DVD.  But where those players were, I had no way to test them to
see what progressive modes it would really do.


|> | What I don't know is whether Motionflow is still technically active
for 
|> | 24fps DVD material, and if so, why?  I guess I need to go dig out a
few 
|> | 24fps DVD's and test without Motionflow active.
|> 
|> It could still be.  Why not?
| 
| I wouldn't think it is necessary with 24fps native display capability. 

It would at least be necessary for a p24 video source, to have p24 input
capability.  It could upconvert it to p48, p72, p96, or p120.  But if
there
is no other need to have the upconversion (such as it being LCD and just a
basic display), then it should just update the LCD grid at the rate the
video input is providing the frames.


| I've been thinking 120Hz was used for 30fps material to amp up to 60fps.

|  Maybe I'm just confused.  Again.  <scratching head>

You could convert p30 video to p60 internally and update the LCD grid at
60
fps.  But I don't see the point.  It could be updated at 30 fps and skip
the
extra hardware.

Too many people seem to still be thinking "in the (CRT) box".  Displaying
p24
video _directly_ at 24 fps on a CRT would absolutely suck.  It would not
be
due to the fact that there are only 24 frame changes per second.  It would
be
the flicker.  It's the same reason film projectors will flash the shutter
on
a 24 fps film at 48, 72, 96, or even 120 times a second (I hear that 48
was
common for a while and that some do 72).  With CRT one would need to up
the
scan rate so the CRT traces at 72 fps for p24 video (71.928 fps for
p23.976).
But for LCD, this is not needed.  The LCD can be "scanned" at 24 fps just
fine
and not cause flicker.

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