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Re: Why Buy a Converter?

by phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 2, 2008 at 12:53 PM

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Alan <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
| In article <fv2fcv211fm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
|>There are a lot of things that could be better about the way electricity
is
|>delivered to homes (maybe changing to DC is one of them).
| 
|  Unlikely.  It is hard to get cheaper voltage conversion than a
transformer.

If the load needs DC, the transformer is inadequate to the task.


|>  But it is simply
|>not practical to make the change because so many things are not ready. 
One
|>such change I propose is increasing the voltage.  It would be more
efficient
|>in most cir***stances.  We know how to keep it safe, now.  And for a
great
|>many things, it's not hard to make them "240 ready".
| 
|  However, the losses are not huge, given that it only comes down from
the
| pole to the house -- before that it is 12.5 or 15 KV.
| 
|  If you need 240 V, you have it in most houses.  Call your electrician.

My point is the losses in the _wiring_ are less at 240V than at 120V.  For
the wiring going into the home, which is sized for the expected total
current,
there's no issue since half the 120V loads being in series with the other
half
120V loads makes it effectively 240V.  However, for individual branch
circuits
using smaller (AWG #12 and #14) conductors, 240V would be less lossy than
120V
is.

I've examined a number of computer switching power supplies capable of
being
run with either 120V or 240V.  In no cases are any of them more efficient
with
120V.  While many have the same efficiency with either voltage, many
others
are more efficient with 240V (according to the specifications listed on
the
PSU or on the manufacturer web site).

WHy do many heavy commercial/industrial locations prefer running
fluorescent
lighting on 277V instead of 120V?

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